Joined: May 11, 2004
That's okay, Shill. You were trying to be helpful.
LMAO Duff. Rob, I wasn't really answering FOR Duff - I just read what he wrote. He didn't deny that he was interested in McK. I thought I was assisting you to reread what was in print.
Rob, I did read what you wrote. I know you were guessing. Guessing wasn't specific enough for my question. Guessing utilizes memory and we aren't always accurate in our memories.
Rob, I'm over here on Duff's lap again. Your writing style in expressing the superiority of McK is a big turn off. Your attitude does not seem to be in line with the characteristics that expert clinicians possess. You may be good, but based on what you write and your attitude and your responses, you are not at the level of "expert." "Expert" as being defined by the literature by Resnik and Jensen which analyzed outcomes and the characteristics of those clinicians with excellent outcomes. Thus far, "expert" and effectiveness as a physical therapist is not equated to any particular camp in regard to theory. Thus far, a patient centered approach seems to be a common characteristic versus any theory.
This is just silly. Rob came on to argue that the Gary Gray way wasn't THE only way to go. A few posts later he stated that McK was the "Only way to go", others took exception to this because there simply is no data to support this. This whole discussion is pointless because NO approach or technique has been shown to be the most effective. If it had, that is what would be used, by everybody. The idea, or in this case an approach,can't be criticised unless it is fully understood is a simple logical fallacy of displacing the burden of proof.
Randy, Rob did not say Gary Gray was the only way, i did (Rodger Evans). actually what i said was he was a physical therapy god. others manipulated this to say that i felt that gary gray was the only was to go wih regards to treatment. this is not at all what i said or meant. I use many forms of treatment. i will take responcibility for trying to make others look silly for not knowing who Gary Gray is. I will say when it comes to functional exercise, Mr. Gray is very original
he is at 107 degrees of flexion and 10.5 lack in extension (so not so great). started at 94 flexion and 15 lack 3 weeks ago. md wants to manip in 2 weeks if not better. he spends 2.5 hours in therapy each visit. he really dwell on his swelling and wants to drain it himself but he wont. i tried to explain that the swelling will aty for months but i dont think he follows.
Joined: August 1, 2005
From: Columbus, GA
[QUOTE] Rob: I'll buy that McKenzie book if you hook me up with the cutie doing the prone press up on your Mission page. [/QUOTE]duffy, i laughed out loud in the middle of the clinic when i took the time to go and look to the picture. though i have to agree with you, the picture is impressive.
Joined: November 7, 2006
Wow. what a debate.Things seem to get a bit hostile though. I also practice a fair amount of Mckenzie.His classification systems help me classify things better in my head for treatment planning purposes.Does everyone fit? No.Bottom line is often that the chronic pain patient who doesnt respond will still end up on my schedule and then I will need to use different exercise/approach etc.I personally think that the new editions of the lumbar/cervical and extremity books are very informative and make you think a lot.Everyone has to remember that MCk is a system of thinking.