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rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 5:22:53 AM
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bbronk
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Hi,
I’m Dr Brian Bronk with a powerful message that rocks the very pillars of our understanding with regard to back pain.
Many of our currently accepted models of back pain are absolutely inaccurate. For example, a herniated disc has literally NOTHING to do with back pain. It is an innocent bystander that looks guilty and is getting blamed for a crime it did not commit.
Within the medical profession it is well known, there is no correlation between discs and back pain. Yet when pain becomes chronic and fails to respond with all manner of conservative therapies, what else could it be? Thus we have been stuck on disc theory.
Doctors present disc theory as though it were fact to sound reassuring, but it is not a fact. As you will see, the hard evidence does not add up. The more we find out scientifically the less it makes sense, we just haven't had anything better to replace it with - until now.
The basis of back pain is a muscle problem. Yes, I know it doesn't feel like just a muscle. It's often diagnosed as a herniated disc, spinal stenosis, arthritis, sciatica, spondylolisthesis, carpal tunnel etc. In truth, the problem is an underlying spasm pattern that is missed or not treated correctly.
Take a patch of grass.
You can go over it w/ a steam roller. Lean on it. Ice it. Heat it. Electrocute it. Cut it. Stretch it. Fertilize it. Pet it. Talk to it. Shine a white light on it. Can we all agree they have a different effect on the grass than if we just took a leaf rake to it?
Thus many treatments claim to treat your muscles but they do not have the same effect. They may have the same intention, but they do not have the same effect, and this is why they don’t work in tough cases.
There is a difference you can feel, and the proof is in the pudding.
In the back pain treating industry it’s called the 80/20 rule. For 80% of the population suffering back pain anything works. That is why there are 10,000 guru’s out there claiming to have the answer to back pain. Everyone and their cousin has their guru that fixed them. For 20% the pain becomes chronic and it’s half of those, 10%, that are on a slippery slope heading toward surgery because nothing is working and life is miserable.
Everything I'm telling you comes from fixing the 10% when surgery was thought to be the only remaining option. The tough cases when cortisone, chiropractic, acupuncture, physical therapy, stretching, core strengthening, and various forms of deep muscle work had come up short.
We get results that lead directly and with all clarity to a more accurate model of back pain.
Advanced Muscle Reconditioning, AMR, is new. Most medical professionals have never heard of it. If you are going to do any soft tissue work at all, this is how you want to do it. It will amaze you. It is uniquely tapped into the truth of back pain, and suddenly it all becomes clear to you - the mystery of back pain is solved. As suspected it’s been right in front of us all along.
The solution is so simple. So effective. So good. You don’t have to suffer.
Welcome to the dawn of a new day.
Dr B ****.com
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 7:25:13 AM
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SJBird55
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Nothing like another "magic bullet" intervention! Let AMR join MFR, TMR, CST, PRT.... Wow, ALL claim the same thing!!! I wonder how that can be??? How can that be, Brian? Don't even answer...
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 9:27:34 AM
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jesspt
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Ha Ha! I love it. All of my favorite shyster tactics and cliches, conveniently contained in one web site.
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 10:01:58 AM
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PTupdate.com
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This gentleman has quote on his site that he is "World’s foremost authority on back pain"......quite a bold statement! However, he also cut and pasted his entire bio page onto this forum.....makes me feel like we aren't even worth the effort of an individualized introduction.
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 11:02:04 AM
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JSPT
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Weren't we talking about jokers like this recently on the PRT thread?
Sigh....everything old is new again.
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 12:17:16 PM
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Shill
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Certainly these bold claims can be backed up with research citations from quality journals, both for the "new" technique, as well as the refutation of the current models. Surely this could not be opinion generated from clinical observation and testimonials.
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 2:14:12 PM
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TexasOrtho
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I'm thinking of a word that rhymes with...oh nevermind.
Steve, you would be a big hit on SomaSimple. You should know that some ideas simply transcend evidence and are thus exempt from the laws of scrutiny.
< Message edited by TexasOrtho -- March 3, 2008 2:18:19 PM >
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 3:56:21 PM
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Sebastian Asselbergs
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Wow. I mean: ....wow. "Muscle", eh?
Doesn't look like the one between the ears was properly exercised in writing that post to this group.....
Wow again. You take at least four years of university to get the letters "DC" behind your name, and this is what you do with it? It better bring you big bucks, because it certainly ain't gonna bring you ANY respect......
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 7:52:57 PM
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proud
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Perhaps this clown and "bob" from over in the manual therapy section can get together...
All back pain and neck pain solved right here at rehabedge.
Hey Dr. Brian Bonk, how about coming back for a little debate with my esteemed collegues here at rehabedge?
We never here from Bonkers again I don't imagine.
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 9:43:10 PM
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kiwi PT
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Wow. Ditto Sebastian about the muscle between the ears. Not only is he a loony it sounds like he beats people up to, look at his member profile page: he lists "torturer" as his profession.
This (taken from his website) may be why:
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- expect to be sore for a couple days. You will know it’s from the treatment, and feels different from the pain that brought you in. - you may be sore to the touch up to a week. - you may bruise - at first it might knock you out. It removes stored stress from the body, and unleashes a powerful healing. Initially many people just want to sleep. (you want to talk about moving some chi?) Down the road instead of knocking you out, treatments invigorate." Kyle
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 9:59:00 PM
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bbronk
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I so understand the snap judgement. years ago I would have had the exact same reaction. I'd had it with false prophets claiming to have all the answers. I'm as skeptical as anyone, there's tons of bs out there. yes, the name is gooberish. but what I have to teach is solid gold.
come on, use your bs meter. do I seem corporate?
did you watch danny's testimony? that is powerful stuff.
he had a herniated disc nearly occluding his entire spinal canal. if you have 13 mm of space for the cauda equina it's considered surgical, he had 5mm. surgery deemed imperative, and thought to be causing his nerve symptoms. however before having major surgery at age 30 he demanded another mri. the best surgeon in LA greets him to report findings of 2nd mri and says "congratulations, you must be feeling much better, the disc is greatly reduced and sugery is no longer necessary." danny says, really? I still feel the same.
danny then found me. when I fix him and he says, "that's it, that's my problem". and I'm no where near a disc. what you gonna say about that??
I know I make a strong statement. I've been in the woodshed practicing what thomas griner showed me, and proving it to myself for the last 20 years. it's all bottled up. I didn't believe him either. but his work kept proving itself to me over and over again. I know what I know from doing and seeing conditions change I once did not think possible. it's all based on fixing tough cases when EVERYTHING else had failed. and it ain't magic. it's harder work than most of you will care to provide.
just check out what I have to say.
I'm not the genius, just a messenger.
this will stand the test of time.
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 10:21:59 PM
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kiwi PT
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quote:
ORIGINAL: bbronk
it's harder work than most of you will care to provide.
Yup, I'm just too lazy.
Kyle
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 10:35:38 PM
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proud
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Amazing. "Dr" Bronk is so delusional, he thinks he can hoodwink the highly educated crew we have here. Well "Dr", let's have less jibber jabber and more science shall we?
What is the physiological rationale behind the treatment? And run us through a typical treament session.
Start with those two and let the exposing of a snake oil salesman begin. Good luck, let's talk science "Dr".
I imagine the Palmer grad will either disappear or come back with more rubbish. I usually ignore this stuff but I think we can have some fun with the..."Dr".
What will it be? Rubbish or science? I think we all know the answer.
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 3, 2008 11:20:27 PM
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Sebastian Asselbergs
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Proud, you are getting this all wrong..... You need to visit him, see him at work. Ignore all neurophysiology, pain research, and any other form of non-anecdotal evidence, and bow to the miracle of his works. Do not forget : he is just the messenger.... (They used to call those types prophets, didn't they?). Dr. Boink, we are so humbled by your "Aha erlebnis", your moment of enlightenment, that we can only say: "Dr. Boink, guide us".
PS: Does it come with pizza, or other smaller round flatbreads?
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 4, 2008 12:12:21 AM
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TexasOrtho
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quote:
ORIGINAL: OAK
If I were a D.C. I'd be very embarrassed right now! 
That's saying quite a lot too!
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RE: rewriting the book on back pain - March 4, 2008 9:14:12 AM
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Shill
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Testimonials do nothing. There are people who feel they have been abducted by aliens too. Their belief is as heartfelt. For what its worth, take any testimonial, and instead of the purported beneficial treatment, insert "Eating Twinkies". Kind of brings things back down a notch or 50, doesnt it?
PS. I do not own stock in Hostess.
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