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RE: Medicare Bill (HR 6331) Passes in US Senate - and h... - July 22, 2008 11:28:45 AM
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aph401
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Wow...you totally missed my point about WORKING CLASS not being able to afford healthcare. See quote below:
i didn't miss your point, i responded to the allegation that i made a racist comment, and offered statistics and logical reasons as to why it wasn't racist. as for working class people not being able to afford healthcare, that STILL doesn't mean we should all be subjected to government-run healthcare which is of less quality and less efficiency than what we currently have, while draining our pockets with huge tax increases to finance it. i sacrifice to pay for quality healthcare and i should lose the right to be able to do so because some people can't/don't? there has to be reform of the system, i totally agree, but government control isn't the answer. and there is NO, i repeat NO, justifcation for giving free healthcare to citizens of OTHER countries who are here illegaly, don't pay taxes, don't have drivers licenses, etc etc etc. that was my main point.
your OP gave your feelings about john mccain and so i offered up the facts on the other point of view. while i'm against the whole "government is the answer to all your problems" liberal ideology, i'm no die-hard republican, don't get me wrong.. i'm an independent with the sense to choose between lesser of evils.. and there is no sense to obama's madness on this issue. i'm not going to change your vote and i don't care to.. vote for obama and if he becomes president, hopefully his huge government handout policies won't drive inflation through the roof like it did when carter was elected and did the same things (luckily people were smart enough not to re-elect him). *shrug* i'll vote for mccain to keep more of my money in my pocket and more financial security in my profession. this is just how i feel and i'm no one important.
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RE: Medicare Bill (HR 6331) Passes in US Senate - and h... - July 22, 2008 1:15:13 PM
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james079
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What ever happened to
" Give me your tired, your poor,your huddled masses yearning to breathe free the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door ".
There could there be another Andrew Carnegie amongst them !
Jim McGregor
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RE: Medicare Bill (HR 6331) Passes in US Senate - and h... - July 22, 2008 1:35:38 PM
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aph401
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ORIGINAL: james079
What ever happened to
" Give me your tired, your poor,your huddled masses yearning to breathe free the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door ".
There could there be another Andrew Carnegie amongst them !
Jim McGregor
awesome, tell them to APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP and do things the right way. please don't confuse my feelings on illegal immigration with immigration in general. i completely understand people coming here, wanting a better life for themselves and their families, and i'm all for it.. but there's a way to do things. we have enough of our tired, poor, etc to take care of.. it's not our job to provide for the world's sickly with our healthcare system and our tax money, particularly when they are here illegally.
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RE: Medicare Bill (HR 6331) Passes in US Senate - and h... - July 22, 2008 9:05:42 PM
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JDMBBuilder
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ORIGINAL: Tom Reeves DPT ATC
JDMB,
The war that is costing us 60 Billion or whatever, would have cost us immeasurably more if we had not waged it.
How so? You, nor I, can answer that without getting hypothetical...
Fact: Right now the war is costing the United States of America greater than 600 BILLION dollars....and we can't even take less than a tenth of that to provide affordable healthcare for American citizens?!
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*shrug* i'll vote for mccain to keep more of my money in my pocket and more financial security in my profession. this is just how i feel and i'm no one important.
How is voting for McCain going to, as you say, "keep more of my money in my pocket and more financial security in my profession" when he didn't even attempt to vote IN FAVOR or AGAINST the medicare cap that would affect OUR PROFESSION?!
We're all arguing about this on a damn message board while the only people profiting from this are the insurance companies. If I here about one more damn merger between healthcare companies, I'm gonna snap...They don't reimburse enough for our services, and they don't cover enough of our patients needs...bottom line. Why? Because the current system allows it...
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RE: Medicare Bill (HR 6331) Passes in US Senate - and h... - July 22, 2008 10:41:45 PM
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aph401
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How is voting for McCain going to, as you say, "keep more of my money in my pocket and more financial security in my profession" when he didn't even attempt to vote IN FAVOR or AGAINST the medicare cap that would affect OUR PROFESSION?!
he wants to make the bush tax cuts permanent.. he is a republican and is therefore essentially for lower taxes. obama wants to raise taxes, as well as create a laundry list of more government funded programs and handouts, which obviously will be paid for with tax payers' money. that's the basic difference between republicans and democrats at their very core, i suppose. and as for our profession, with the reimbursement rates already falling, a universal healthcare plan would likely cause them to plummet. so yes, voting for mccain (a vote against those things) is a vote for more financial security in our profession.
there are many problems with a universal healthcare system and i just hope that anyone voting for obama in november really does some research on the topic and some of the major negative affects... i.e. decreased incentive, encouraging healthy people to become uninsured, encouraging others to overinsure, job loss, taxing capital, taxing children, etc etc etc. and aside from the HUGE tax increase we will all feel, many families are actually going to see an increase in the amount they pay for healthcare, as well. for instance, my father carries a family insurance plan that covers me as i'm a full time grad student, and it's deducted from his paycheck biweekly. no one else in my family elects to have healthcare coverage, since that would duplicate our costs without really improving our coverage. with obama's plan, there will be no choice to "opt out", so every working member of a family will see a payroll deduction for healthcare. in my family, that would amount to at least doubling, and possibly tripling the amount paid for healthcare.. while at the same time losing our right to choose doctors and have as high of quality healthcare.
while i understand our current system of privatized insurance certainly has it's flaws, it does at least encourage competition. hospitals won't currently accept (or participate) insurance plans that do not pay a sufficient amount for the hospital to recoup its cost of care. not so with medicare and medicaid. were it not for private insurance companies making up the deficit created by medicaid underpayment, many services offered in hospitals and outpatient areas would cease to be able to exist. this is one of many many examples of the major problems with universal healthcare.
< Message edited by aph401 -- July 22, 2008 10:47:26 PM >
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