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RE: not meant to be chastising: why are chiropractors c... - July 2, 2008 7:42:13 PM
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docj04
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1. She's my wife now --you posted as I was editing my message. It was a casual observation that we both agreed upon during our concurrent schooling at our respective programs--No "evidenced based" analysis here. (better throw it out). It is why I mentioned that I'd be happy to compare the curriculum of my "trade school" to that of (D)PT programs. I think it may at least be close.
2. Well established--yes. BUT striving for more? Absolutely. Even you probably won't argue that, Proud. Keep in mind that I did (and do) applaud this notion from your profession, but lets be honest as to HOW your profession became "well established" to begin with (keeping with the theme of historical development). PT was "allowed" too exist b/c it posed ZERO potential competition at the time to the "Bosses" of helathcare. Now, with the hard work to expand (DPT transition/POPTS struggles in response), the "coat tail" analogy is fairly legit in that light.
3. Bias is not really what I'd consider myself, as I had every intention of taking the PT route through undergrad as my wife (then Lab partner) did. I only ended up going DC b/c of the independence and autonomy WITH the broader scope that DC's enjoy. (even more-so at the time that I made my decision). I knew at that time, throughout Chiro school, and to this day, how I wanted to practice. DC lets me do that, and I still got to marry the PT. How's that for romance.
I will openly admit my malcontent w/some of the goings-on in my prof., and have already done so in that post. I do feel that this forum goes overboard sometimes though in it's chiro bashing (why would you really have started this thread anyway?). I guess it's hard for me not to take it personal sometimes, knowing what I know, and practicing as I do.
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RE: not meant to be chastising: why are chiropractors c... - July 2, 2008 8:02:55 PM
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proud
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I started the thread for two reasons:
1. I truly did not know the history behind it.
2. I truly feel that DC use the term "doctor" in a deceptive manner. I noted within this thread that I do not feel a DPT should parade themselves as "doctor". I think it's all marketing and does not serve the public well at all. I disagree with the idea that many patients think a DC is an MD. And most chiropractors sell that idea.
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I only ended up going DC b/c of the independence and autonomy WITH the broader scope that DC's enjoy.
Broader scope? Really? PT's can practice in almost every area of Healthcare. I will submit that currently in the US, direct acces is late coming....but it's coming and then the chips will fall where they may. I work in Canada where Direct access legislation for PT's exists so I think Canada is a better place to be a PT at the moment.
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PT was "allowed" too exist b/c it posed ZERO potential competition at the time to the "Bosses" of helathcare.
Why are many chiropractors seemingly into conspiracy theories. The fact that PT's are leading the field by a long long long shot in research has nothing to do with it's sucess...meanwhile the fact that Chiropractic's very foundation is flawed and wrought with pseudo-science has nothing to do with why it struggles( It's all the AMA's fault).
I wonder...do you know the history of the origins of PT?
BTW...your wife....would she say that her foundation is grounded in acedemia?( able to critically annalyze research papers and intergrate appropriately into practice) The foundation is where the practice patterns are set and clinical experience builds upon it and if cultivated.....is allowed to thrive.( unfortunately many PT's get the degree and then die a slow painful professional death....hello MFR and CST...).
< Message edited by proud -- July 2, 2008 8:14:47 PM >
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RE: not meant to be chastising: why are chiropractors c... - July 2, 2008 8:32:37 PM
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Sebastian Asselbergs
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...It seems a good time now to break open the glass cases with the stories: "I know a chiropractor, s/he is really nice BUT.....", and "I worked with this chiropractor and checked his curriculum and, man it stunk"....and then "I know this pathetic PT who really shows how big the difference is between chiro and PT" ....
I bet there are MANY more stories from both sides of the fence, and boy, do they ever NOT bring anything constructive to this discussion. It is obviously lost on some of the posters here, that many of the PTs here are very much against much of the crap that passes for PT - and are NOT exclusively bashing chiro.
About autonomy: no referral needed here, free access for all patients, and no need for setting up displays and "free spine-evals" in malls and home-shows to get patients in the door.....
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RE: not meant to be chastising: why are chiropractors c... - July 2, 2008 10:09:19 PM
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docj04
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Proud,
1. Funny, I've had VERY few patients that come to me for medical Tx. There have been those that asked if I can write them a Rx, to which I explain that prescribing medication is not within my practice and Tx abilities. Guess what? They came back. Where do you base your ascertion that DC's are selling themselves as MD's? That's flat out BS, and illegal BS at that... come on, mate.
2. Regarding the broader scope--That does indeed vary state to state, but again, and as my post states, DC allows me to practice in the realm that I would have pursued should I stuck to the PT route, and in the way that I WANT to practice. You're from Canada? With the way you argue(very well and stubborn as hell) I'd expect you to be American.
3. Conspiracy theory? While we all know that chiro has not exactly helped itself by allowing some practioners to "focus" on the subluxation model, you must at least acknowledge the fact that wilkes case PROVED that the AMA was indeed attempting to anhihilate the profession. It's not an theory. It happened. That makes it hard to thrive for any competition--you don't agree???
Further, regarding the flawed subluxation model, it's similar to the fringe approaches w/in PT. Chiro school teaches the history and theory of it, but upon actually looking at the remainder of the curriculum--EVERY SCHOOL must satisfy some pretty intensive requirements to maintain credentialed status. Some do a better job than others just as some PT schools do a better job than others at delivering their respective requirements. "Better" being in the eye of the beholder. Ultimately, PT's and DC's alike are given the academic foundation on which to pursue and practice their careers as they wish within the boundaries of their scope. My only contention here is that it's ludicrous to assert that chiro school does not and can not provide sufficient education and training to produce capable NMSK practitioners. I could not agree more that it's through experience and continuing ed. that clinicians are "cultivated"
Sebastian--Yup, the spinal screenings(for subluxations, at least) are painful to witness in those venues. Tastefully setting up a booth at health fairs, marathons, etc,. That's just marketing in my opinion, DC or PT or your local OB/GYN for that matter.
Also, I agree that these dialogs are basically worthless beyond enjoying a good...well, worthless dialog. Hence my very low post count. I'd rather read the "good stuff" here.
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RE: not meant to be chastising: why are chiropractors c... - July 2, 2008 10:22:50 PM
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proud
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Yes, I agree....that was an error in writing on my part. NO...I do not think most DC are selling themselves off as being MD's. That is inaccurate and I am a bit suprised I wrote it( but I did...sorry). The point being that it is often hard for patients to understand the various distictions between the term Doctor( DC, MD, DPT etc). I just think it needs to be very clear to the patient and I am not convinced patients often "get it".
But yes, I do not think DC's attempt to sell themselves that way( in fact many steer clear of traditional medicine right?).
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