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adelpt -> Paris Manual Certification (February 18, 2008 3:49:22 PM)

I'm a masters level PT and am looking at the Paris/St. Augustine tDPT program with the manual therapy certification.  Is there anyone with recommendations on this program with either the positive or the negatives of this program?   Or opinions on the Paris manual classes in general with their strengths and weaknesses would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks for your help!




USAPT -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 18, 2008 9:30:31 PM)

here is one link..do further searches... It has been discussed previously

http://physicaltherapy.rehabedge.com/m_11612/mpage_1/key_Univ%2caug/tm.htm#11630




ptdan23 -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 19, 2008 1:05:32 PM)

I went through the manual therapy program and got certified and found the program very rewarding and challenging.  It changed the way I treated patients and I have seen improved outcomes b/c of this.  I am currently enrolled in the tDPT @ USA and can apply my certification for credit as well as get discounts on classes for those that I originally took as a seminar.

Dan



adelpt -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 19, 2008 1:36:58 PM)

Thank you for your help.  I appreciate the input!



TexasOrtho -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 19, 2008 2:03:51 PM)

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program and got certified and found the program very rewarding and challenging. It changed the way I treated patients and I have seen improved outcomes b/c of this. I am currently enrolled in the tDPT @ USA and can apply my certification for credit as well as get discounts on classes for those that


A buddy of mine is a Parisite (his words).  He found the program to be rigorous but worth it.  I think the more reputable programs are what you make of them.  Good luck.

I don't know if this is true, but I heard testing for the certification is like repeatedly getting kicked in the package...leaving you feeling hurt, vulnerable, and potentially humiliated by Mr. Paris.  That is probably completely untrue, but I just felt like posting "kicked in the package" in an online forum.  I need to leave the clinic now.



USAPT -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 21, 2008 12:13:20 PM)

Rod,
It's not that untrue..regarding how one might feel leaving an oral practical given by Dr. Paris...been there done that..he called me an idiot and asked if I even knew what the hell I was talking about...At the time I was pissed and distraught but of course now I laugh about it!

On another note...when I was in class with him, someone accidently called him "Mr." instead of Dr. Paris and boy did he rip him a new one!!



TexasOrtho -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 21, 2008 2:03:42 PM)

I'll be honest - that kind of story keeps me far away from that program. I'm sure it has a lot to offer, but no one...NO ONE should treat people that way in a professional setting.  Pissed because someone called him "Mr." Paris?  He must have some serious locker room type issues if you get my meaning.

He may spew pure knowledge out of his mouth everytime he speaks, but will never see a dime of my money because of his reputation as a complete butthead. 



SJBird55 -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 21, 2008 7:27:48 PM)

HeHe... last year at CSM, I saw Paris waiting for a shuttle.  I came really, really close to asking, "How's it going, Stan?"  LMAO  I guess THAT wouldn't have gone over very well!  I wish I did now just so I could have had the memory of his response.  LOL  He strikes me as a butthead who knows how to make a profit.



kiwi PT -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 21, 2008 8:00:22 PM)

One thing going for him is that he is a Kiwi[:)]



jimptdpt -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 22, 2008 7:50:39 AM)

I also took and passed my MTC exam through St. Augustine, formely Institute of Graduate Physical Therapy, for those old enough to remember.  After asking me about C1-2 rotation, in which I started on a 10 minute presentation about everything I knew about this subject, he told me "That was a complete waste of my time, now in the next minute tell me about ....."  The clinic I was at had, at the time, six or the eight MTC's in Massachusetts.  I was ready and aware of the testing process. 

I believe he does this to also test how you will stand up against an orthopedic surgeron speaking harshly towards you.  I believe that whole week is the testing.  I went to class everyday, dressed professionally.  You were not allowed to show up in shorts, etc as this would reflect against our profession. 

Dr. Jim Hosker PT, OCS



SJBird55 -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 22, 2008 11:52:56 AM)

Hmmm... nothing like creating an adversarial relationship with physicians right from the get go by assuming that an orthopaedic surgeon is going to speak harshly.  All anyone has to remember is that surgeons (physicians) are people just like physical therapists are people.  It doesn't do much good to "stand up" against a physician... it is better to be polite, assertive, respectful and factual.  I would think that if the patient is the true focus and the conversation centers around the patient and the patient's situation/problems, the idea of who is right and who is wrong can go away and the communication style lends to a better problem-solving. 



pappawheelie -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 22, 2008 1:20:18 PM)

Guess what Stanley's father's name was? (Stanley) Guess what Stanley named his sons? (I think he has three of them) Stanley!  He definitely has a lot of pride in his name and comes off somewhat arrogant, but the man has FOUGHT hard to preserve the right for physical therapists to practice manual therapy.  He definitely demands respect in that light. 

I went throught the MTC program and found it very focusing and rewarding.  Being shot down by Dr. Paris was a little humbling, but just made me more consise with my answers.  During class he was fine--shared his knowledge and gave feedback.

I just took a Maitland course and liked their philosophy and client-centered approach.  Very little emphasis on biomechanics, more on symptomatology.  Almost wish I had taken a Maitland course first, especially considering all the flack the biomechanical approach is taking these days.

and SBird-You should have saluted the good Dr in that fashion--my bet is he would have replied without insult.



TexasOrtho -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 22, 2008 2:09:46 PM)

If you need someone to treat you like **** to learn how to keep from being treated like ****, then you need to develop a spine.  I don't care who you are. If you are jerk, you should be prepared to deal with whatever outcome comes your way. 

I sincerely doubt he does this to prepare us to deal with cranky docs....please.  He sound like a very bright man who has contributed much to the profession.  Period...nothing more.  If he thinks differently, he's delusional.



pappawheelie -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 22, 2008 2:42:46 PM)

adelpt-keep in mind that most of the classes are taught by other instructors, who, for the most part are not jerks, quite contrary.  I only had Paris for a couple of hours out of the whole certification process.  His testing part lasts about 15 minutes--maybe 30 seconds of which were unpleasant. 

Did I mention he's also kinda short? 



SJBird55 -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 22, 2008 8:20:02 PM)

Stan plans on swimming the English Channel in July... 23 miles, I think?  He's doing it to raise funds for the Research Excellence campaign.  I just have to say this because it cracks me up... "Swim, Stan, Swim."  "See Stan Swim."  It's been a long week...



sheltzel -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 22, 2008 8:41:49 PM)

Hello,
First time posting.  I went to school with Paris, had S3 with paris, had 3 oral tests and received my MTC a year later.  It was brutal but worth it.  In addition to the horror stories already mentioned, he also would take your shoes off and throw them in the parking lot if didn't remove them when lying on a table.  It was actually great fun and I have fond memories.  Having both Mckenzie and paris certifications, I find Paris' certification more helpful.  Now, on my way to take the OCS in 2 weeks!



Kaden -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 22, 2008 9:20:15 PM)

These stories being told about Paris don't make me laugh and think of what fond memories they must have been for all of you as you went through your certification.  They continue to bring up images of a condescending, self centered ***hole.  Granted Paris has contributed greatly to the profession and his passion and advancement of manual therapy deserve respect and for this I respect him as a clinician.

But, hearing these stories don't make me hold him in such high regard as a person.  We are colleagues in the profession and all deserve to be treated with respect.  We can argue, disagree, challenge but should do so in a respectful manner.

I have a lot more respect for those with credentials like that of Paris who are able to set ego aside and continue to teach and encourage even when frustrated by clinicians who may not be as skilled as the teacher/instructor themself. 



sheltzel -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 23, 2008 12:43:37 AM)

You are right, he only requires that you refer to him as DR when you're a student.  When I went back for my MTC, he told us to just call him Stanley.  He really is a good guy.  In addition, he was training to swim the English Channel at 68 years old; gotta respect him for that.  Not sure if he ever succeeded.



kamryn -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (February 23, 2008 4:25:02 PM)

I believe dr paris is a distinguished graduate of the union institute - is anyone familiar with this school? 



TMondale -> RE: Paris Manual Certification (March 1, 2008 3:28:57 PM)

My take on Stanley ( which he doesn't mind being called when among other PT professionals) having spent considerable time at the University of St. Augustine, and around the country with he and the rest of the faculty he is a great teacher, but no question can be a little harsh.  Every one of the stories I've read here I've seen or experienced.  He is however one of the most vigerous defenders of the PT profession, and mostly wants the profession to be elevated to the highest level.  He feels and teaches that we are indeed the experts in neuromusculoskeletal care and should act like it. 

I don't consider myself a parasite ( and from my experiences with Stanley I don't imagine he much cares for that label iether) despite having completed my advanced masters degree and manual certification with them I don't think that kind of biomechanical, symptoms follow dysfunction level of clinical thinking is the most usefull model anymore.  I think ( and the preponderance of evidence strongly suggests) when applicable the sub group classification and clinical prediction rules are the sturdyest to go by, followed by impairment based models like biomechanics, and dysfunction to symptom threshold.  I don't know they may be teaching this way now at the University. 

All that said, I have enormous respect for Stanley and quite like him. 

Tim



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