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ORIGINAL: smithcove


SURE I DO, SOME ARE VERY SKILLED WITH THEIR MASSAGE, A LISENSED MT RECEIVES A FINE EDUCATION, WHY ARE YOU SO AGAINST MFR, CRANIO-SACRAL, ECT, ECT, JUST BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE POSITIVE OUTCOMES WITH SUCH TECHNIQUES, GENERALIZES THAT OTHER HAVE FAILED AS WELL. I AM AWARE OF A FEW SKILLED PT'S WHO HAVE WONDERFUL SKILLS, AS WELL AS OUTCOMES WITH PATIENTS AND ARE SKILLED IN CRANIO-SACRAL AND MFR.

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ORIGINAL: proud

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ORIGINAL: Shill



Proud said....Patients in pain deserve a certain level of expert training don't you think?  PATIENTS yes.  But not everyone who has a backache actually needs to become a patient.  Perhaps we have people out there who are doing just fine, have a few aches and pains, and they just want to be rubbed. They should then seek massage therapy.  Some people have no intentions to do exercises or make changes to improve their function.  I happen to think these folks are a fine fit for massage therapy.

You said:  ..."not everyone who has a backache needs to become a patient...."

In this single sentence you made my argument for me. Direct access to a singular "expert" would avoid the many needless interpretations and explanations to patients concerning their problems( knots here, tight bands there, joints out of alignment,  discs popping out etc). Research is now showing that fear and patho-anotomical explanations for pain in fact WORSON many NMSK consitions. Unfortunately many PT's also do not spend the time to understand the research. However a one expert system would aide in moving towards a more Evidence based model. This would unquestionably help society deal with escalating healhcare costs in the long run.

Clearly we have a long way to go before we in the PT profession recognize how important this truly is. We just keep shooting ourselves and our patients in the foot by taking the passive stance that..."shucks.... good ol' competition is healthy"...

It has nothing to do with competition guys. Like John, I have few people who confuse me with a masseur after speaking with me. What it IS about is getting a grip on a very poor system of dealing conservatively with NMSK in general.

You are right shill...not everyone with a backache needs treatment. But do you trust a massuer to understand that and also understand the potential implications of telling people about tight bands or unhealthy "trigger points"...all unfounded?

Sorry guys, but to insinuation that those that take offense to this notion that we all have a place so to speak are "insecure", just don't get the big picture. In my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: proud

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ORIGINAL: smithcove


SURE I DO, SOME ARE VERY SKILLED WITH THEIR MASSAGE, A LISENSED MT RECEIVES A FINE EDUCATION, WHY ARE YOU SO AGAINST MFR, CRANIO-SACRAL, ECT, ECT, JUST BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE POSITIVE OUTCOMES WITH SUCH TECHNIQUES, GENERALIZES THAT OTHER HAVE FAILED AS WELL. I AM AWARE OF A FEW SKILLED PT'S WHO HAVE WONDERFUL SKILLS, AS WELL AS OUTCOMES WITH PATIENTS AND ARE SKILLED IN CRANIO-SACRAL AND MFR.

Oh my. Smithy. Do a pubmed search on the cranio-sacral therapy, MFR....

I am not against "best practice"....but this is getting foolish.

With comments like this in an era where substantiation is vital, it becomes more clear to me our proession needs to do a much better job at goverence. If we have PT's who suppossedly graduated with abilities to understand the research process making these statements, something is going wrong.

Anyone else?

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ORIGINAL: smithcove





SURE I DO, SOME ARE VERY SKILLED WITH THEIR MASSAGE, A LISENSED MT RECEIVES A FINE EDUCATION, WHY ARE YOU SO AGAINST MFR, CRANIO-SACRAL, ECT, ECT, JUST BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE POSITIVE OUTCOMES WITH SUCH TECHNIQUES, GENERALIZES THAT OTHER HAVE FAILED AS WELL. I AM AWARE OF A FEW SKILLED PT'S WHO HAVE WONDERFUL SKILLS, AS WELL AS OUTCOMES WITH PATIENTS AND ARE SKILLED IN CRANIO-SACRAL AND MFR.

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ORIGINAL: smithcove

Sorry so many feel so, but i would rather focus on how I can improve my pt's function rather than under-mine other professionals.

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Maybe it's just me but the only good massage therapist I know are Asian.

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ORIGINAL: smithcove

Sorry so many feel so, but i would rather focus on how I can improve my pt's function rather than under-mine other professionals.

I wouldn't worry about other professions you seem to be doing a fine job of undermining our own.  I challenge you to pose some of your thoughts and suggestions to some of these guys, it's a great site and you might learn something in the process.  Good luck and I hope you do turn the corner.

http://www.evidenceinmotion.com/

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ORIGINAL: PTupdate.com

And Shill:  Loved your earlier post...you summed things up so perfect

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ORIGINAL: pappawheelie

TLB-can you enlighted me about "directional preference"?  I just did a pubmed search and nothing came up.

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Massage takes some skill TLB.  Go to a plumber and ask him to rub your back, after he punches you out, if you can get to your feet, and then convince him to actually rub your back, you will notice a distinct difference in his technique over a massage therapist. 

Ask a massage therapist to fix your water heater.......You get the idea.  There are different levels of skill, different considerations, and different contexts.