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LK -> Interview at St.Augustine (July 13, 2007 6:54:06 PM)

Hello everyone,

I am super excited about my interview at St. Augustine in a little while, and would like to get some info from those who interviewed there, as well as anybody else who would like to share their input on the interview. I ve read some previous posts and have a general idea of typical Qs to expect... Thanks

-larisa



SJBird55 -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (July 13, 2007 8:48:59 PM)

Isn't that where Stanley Paris is?  They always ask you if you have any questions.... My first question, IF I could ask him anything would be... WHY did he support a particular marketing deal that the APTA has out there that indicates BED REST and INPATIENT TRACTION for back pain as sound advice/recommendations???  I don't know, but if he was a part of that, I'm not sure I'd really be interested in a facility in which he has a large role because he isn't involved in quality recommendations aimed toward the public!  What kind of education is going to be gained?



Tom Reeves DPT ATC -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (July 16, 2007 4:06:44 PM)

psssst . . .  probably not a good question to ask.   I agree with SJ but maybe a different question like,"where do you see direct access legislation going in the next 3 years?" or something like that.



SJBird55 -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (July 16, 2007 6:38:17 PM)

Oh, come on Tom... geesh.  Where's the fun in the interview process if you can't make 'em squirm??  Why not have the interviewers prove to applicants exactly why their program is worthy of the tuition to be paid?  :)

Nah, probably shouldn't listen to me.  I actually failed one of two interviews WAY back years ago.  LOL  It was unheard of having an applicant fail an interview with the instructors that generally interviewed and to get accepted into the program, ESPECIALLLY if already having a degree and coming in from a different university.  :)  I'm proof that you can rile 'em up and still get in.  :)



FLAOrthoPT -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (July 17, 2007 8:51:58 AM)

not to rain on anyone's parade, but do you have interviews or are looking anywhere else? USA is very good entry point into ortho manual PT. but wow do they brainwash their students into one narrow tunnel.  And not so sure if they'd even be accreditted if it weren't for a paris name attached to it.  But, not trying to steer you away, I have had 3 friends go there and all are great therapists now and loved living in st augustine, just be open minded while going through the program that their philosophy isn't the only one around. good luck



LK -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (July 17, 2007 3:39:30 PM)

Thanks to all for your input.
I understand that most schools will have certain philosophies that they lean towards, and I am definitely planning to stay open minded and have a broad perspective.
Wouldn't most schools have to meet certain criteria on the fundamentals in order to be accredited?

I am interviewing at San Diego campus for January's admission. However, depending how it goes I am also interested in Pacific U, U of Washington, and Eastern Washington...  



Tom Reeves DPT ATC -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (July 20, 2007 3:11:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SJBird55

Oh, come on Tom... geesh.  Where's the fun in the interview process if you can't make 'em squirm??  Why not have the interviewers prove to applicants exactly why their program is worthy of the tuition to be paid?  :)

Nah, probably shouldn't listen to me.  I actually failed one of two interviews WAY back years ago.  LOL  It was unheard of having an applicant fail an interview with the instructors that generally interviewed and to get accepted into the program, ESPECIALLLY if already having a degree and coming in from a different university.  :)  I'm proof that you can rile 'em up and still get in.  :)


I had a really good (bad?) one  a professor (famous and well published) who is now or was a director at another program, asked me what accomplishment I was most proud of. 

I had recently acquired the ability to make the sound of a water drop hitting other water and demonstrated it. 

She wasn't impressed.  Oh well, I got in somewhere else. [:D]



AdamP -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (July 27, 2007 10:21:41 AM)


First of all, the ignorant comment about USA getting accreditation because of the Paris name was a low blow. (Sounds like someone got rejected). Don’t forget he has alot of people who don’t like him either (including myself). The school offers a superior education and I can say that with confidence. Now the point about being trained (not brainwashed) in a narrow tunnel is partially accurate. I really would recommend going there only if you a certain you want to work in an environment that would allow mobilization. The tunnel is NOT narrow, but there are a few things that are against the institutions philosophy (such as neural tension and cranial sacral) that they are strongly against those. They choose a few poorly researched techniques and let their feelings be known. I have taken a lot of continuing education outside the USA system and remain open minded, but I don’t see how cranial sacral is billed or even considered a PT technique. The school trains very good outpt therapist. On the other hand, if you want to go into Neuro, peds, etc it will probably require some additional post-graduate work to become very good (which is the way most specialties are). I would also recommend looking for a school that encourages professionalism. For example, I think you’d find that USA grads would not insult another therapists education by implying that their school shouldn’t be accredited. Finally, Paris did not encourage inpt traction as a blanket approach to back pain, it was devised as a very specific protocol that got watered down. Besides, he is making his way out of St. Augustine. If you want something that I found the biggest negative of USA…the cost.



SJBird55 -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (July 27, 2007 1:43:34 PM)

Well, Adam... the crap I saw included inpatient traction as advice/recommendation for back pain.... his name is tagged to it.  There is absolutely no research that indicates traction is beneficial or effective in acute pain.  Neither inpatient traction NOR bed rest are sound advice or recommendations because they are not based on evidence.  If I were in a position to have my name out on marketing stuff, I can tell you this much, I'd definitely agree to whatever was being recommended or I bow out of the marketing scheme.  If he didn't have the balls to disagree and not have his name associated with crap regarding back pain and physical therapy and recommendations/advice, well, I question his integrity and I would also question the amount of evidence-based learning that would occur at St. Augustine. 



AdamP -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (August 8, 2007 10:34:33 PM)

I would be interested in seeing that. If you come across that information again, please forward it along.



SJBird55 -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (August 9, 2007 7:15:00 AM)

http://www.apta.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&CONTENTID=20406&TEMPLATE=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm



orthotherapist -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (August 9, 2007 10:20:13 AM)

The disclaimer changes everything - it says it may provide relief only in that it confines the person to bedrest - nice out



jesspt -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (August 10, 2007 10:53:28 AM)

    To echo a concern from an above post - worry about the cost of the program. And, I'd also probably look at the national board exam pass rates of the schools you are considering. The link to that info is as follows: http://www.fsbpt.org/exams/PassRates/index.asp



orthotherapist -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (August 10, 2007 11:36:19 AM)

wow - some of those pass rates sure are low.  If pass rates arent above at least 95% I would be concerned especially given those rates just require that you passed it (doesnt matter the number of attempts).  Either they are not teaching what needs to be taught or their entrance criteria into their programs is too lenient.  A quick glance revelaed to me that public is better than private and obviously costs less - a no brainer for me if I was looking into scholls at this time



SJBird55 -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (August 12, 2007 9:11:39 PM)

orthotherapist... why even mention traction though?  Bedrest isn't even an evidence based recommendation.. hmmm  I assume, again, a political game.  We have so much practice variation in our nation, that I suppose it is better to "keep everyone happy" versus just coming out and stating the evidence of interventions available to resolve back pain issues. 



AdamP -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (September 7, 2007 10:36:52 AM)

So what part of 48 hours of bed rest do you take issue with? I really saw nothing there that is unreasonable. It advocates early rest and PT. It states traction is only of benefit because it forces bedrest. Paris maintains that positional traction is better and not to be done for at least 2 weeks, so that wasn't his doing. But his signature was all over that post (especially the little box pertaining to "sexual relations"). I don't think 48 hours of rest is that unreasonable following back injury, maybe you were taught differently. Either way, that would hardly be a reason to avoid going to USA.



AdamP -> RE: Interview at St.Augustine (September 7, 2007 10:47:51 AM)

I'm not sure of the accuracy of the statement that is doesn't matter how many attempts to pass the test it requires, just as long as you pass. That implies that if the rate is 90% that 1 in 10 students never pass right? I'm not sure. What is most revealing about those stats are the number of graduates. I thought USA was a small school, yet it had almost double the number of test takers. I do defend my education at USA, because I am confident in my clinical skills; however, given the burden of student loan debt I graduated with, I am uncomfortable recommending it to anyone. Regardless of the school, if you work hard enough you can be a great clinician.



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