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Re: Gary Gray Videos - March 15, 2006 7:07:00 AM
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TLB
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[QUOTE] Tom, I'm not going to get into some debate about how good of a clinician I am or defending myself after your attempt to personalize your comments toward me.
[/QUOTE]SJ,
I find that statement hilarious after all you've been through on this board. I don't think Tom was suggesting anything of the such and I've enjoyed reading this thread on both sides of the equation. I have been to a course by GG and found it very well presented, interesting, fun and informative. Then again I believe you can take something positive from the worst course or instructor even if I've been over the information many times before. Cheers.
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Re: Gary Gray Videos - March 28, 2006 1:08:00 AM
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I'd like to modify my previously posted statement.
I attended a fantastic course this weeked called Orthotic Reaction, with Michael Kane. One of his colleagues works with Gary Gray in the clinic, and I pointed out that most of my co-workers and I felt that Gary discussed points A and Z, but left out the stuff in between. The gentleman to whom I was speaking had the following reply (not a direct quote, but pretty close):
"Gary is not the kind of guy to break down every single step of a process and tell you word for word how to cookbook it. Its a bit like a painter giving you the paint and a photograph of what the finished product should look like. He leaves it up to you to figure out how to get the finished product."
So, yes, I agree that other than some interesting made-up words, Gary isn't saying anything new. But how many things in are truly "new and revolutionary"? We're working with the same basic parts that respond in a fairly predetermined way. The point is to find the way that works for you and apply it as well as you can.
The main emphasis of Gary's teaching seems to be that it might be beneficial to incorporate more tri-planar movement into treatment. I think most would agree that PT is traditionally a "one plane at a time" service. I think Gary feels that since most of our daily movements take place in 3 planes, that is how we should rehab and treat.
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Re: Gary Gray Videos - March 28, 2006 3:49:00 AM
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Well said.(er, typed)
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Re: Gary Gray Videos - August 19, 2006 7:46:00 PM
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As usual, I'm late to the party, but I have some very strong feelings about G2, his Chain Reaction Course, and his Video Digest Series. First, SJBird55, you doth protest too much! I'm not sure what was going on with you the weekend you took Chain Reaction, but getting "terribly upset" 20 minutes after leaving the course is quite an intense reaction, is it not? Even if all of the course material was a mundane review for you (which, by the way, would put you in a class of 1), one would think your reaction would be one of boredom, disappointment, or maybe even smugness. But irritated and upset sounds a little heavy to me. If you feel that G2 is not challenging you and your thought process, I suggest that you consider taking a step back, taking a deep breath, and consider the possibility that the concepts presented to you were so complex that they were over your head. The chief take home message of G2's material is one of humility and encouragement. Maybe you were dozing during that segment (although it lasted 2 1/2 days!).
As for the 3D dumbbell matrix, Jason, have you ever tried it? Are you suggesting that the act of flexing and rotating is taboo? I don't know what world you live in, but everybody I know flexes and rotates during about 85% of their daily activities. It seems to me that it's a good idea to prepare people to do that activity properly.
Anyone who thinks G2's material is not cutting edge, or worse, rehashes concepts presented in school, either doesn't have a clue as to what G2 is really presenting, or is seriously kidding themselves.
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Re: Gary Gray Videos - August 20, 2006 2:37:00 AM
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LOL mvg. I have high expectations and my expectation wasn't for any re-gifted product. I will admit he regifted with glitter and sprinkles so it had a pleasant appearance. I would have been upset much sooner if I would have not been so captivated by his speaking ability - he's dynamic... and it took 20 minutes because that was about the time it took for me to get driving on the expressway to my friend's place and to have my mind cleared to do some thinking about what he had said. Of course I was upset, I hate wasting my time at any sessions that I don't learn much new material. I definitely wasn't in over my head - if I'm drowning, I'm quick to admit it. What I attended was a 2 hour session at a sports med symposium in Ann Arbor. I'm definitely glad it wasn't 2 or more days! I would have had it out with him that next day. And, mvg, I'm really not someone who has a tendency to lie... I really was pissed after that course. And, the reason really was because the course didn't meet my expectations and he re-gifted - I knew the material, he just presented it in a different manner and with different terminology.
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Re: Gary Gray Videos - August 20, 2006 8:22:00 AM
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SJB...i'm relatively new to this forum, but i keep seeing your name pop up and you frequently seem to be doing nothing more than criticizing other PT's and how they choose to practice. what is your preferred style of practice (manual therapy, exercise based, etc) and could you let me in on your thought process when evaluating a patient and formulating a tx plan?
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Re: Gary Gray Videos - August 20, 2006 8:34:00 AM
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The original post was asking for an opinion. An opinion is what I provided.
If you read enough of my posts, you'll know my style of practice.
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Re: Gary Gray Videos - August 20, 2006 10:22:00 AM
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SJBird55 appears to be treat with manual therapy and exercise; at least that's what I get from his posts.
After spending a few days, and I am new to this forum as well, reading other threads, I tend to view SJBird55 as a devils advocate. I don't really think he/she (not sure of gender) is nothing but passionate about doing things the "right way." Someone has to keep the "box" defined, so as others of us travel outside, there still is a reference point to ground us so to speak. I believe that is SJBird55's contribution to our profession. He is very "charged" with that and that's probably why he got "pissed off" to use his words so easily with Gary Gray's lecture. Passionate people can get that way when you touch their core belief system. And by no means am I saying that we don't all have "passion."
I have attended 3 of Gary Gray's courses when he was getting started. The big thing I got out of his courses was the closed chain patterning and 3D planes. I did not get that in my undergraduate studies, everything was open chain. He substantiated why I was having issues with some of the material I was taught in school and helped my confidence as a "critical thinking" not cookbook therapist.
When I worked in larger clinics, I am in private practice now, I would always be looked at as funny when doing retro and 3 D activities, until they began to see the value in my patients outcomes. Little by little, I saw them start adding them, too, and they could, because they did know the biomechanics/kinesiology principles. They just needed to see the value or consider the possibility.
Over the years I have learned that sometimes we forget or don't use the obvious that is right in front of us, get to complicated. Keep it simple Sam has been my motto for a long time, and until something else comes along to proove different, that's what I do.
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Re: Gary Gray Videos - August 20, 2006 12:54:00 PM
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SJ is a she.
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Re: Gary Gray Videos - August 20, 2006 3:00:00 PM
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SJBird55
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LOL yeah... SJ is a she. Thanks, Diane.
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Re: Gary Gray Videos - August 20, 2006 4:00:00 PM
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Karie
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Great SJBird55, I'll use the correct pronoun when referencing you from now on....LOL...thanks for identifying. Peace!
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Re: Gary Gray Videos - August 26, 2006 7:51:00 AM
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Are there any good books abt functional movemenet training which you reccomend? I have read Gray Cook's book.But it seems like I am missing so much in this area.
Thanks
Anoop
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