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Re: Steroids and professional baseball - August 17, 2005 12:23:00 PM
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Randy Dixon
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I didn't go to the link, but my argument was going to be the same as Jason's. I'm not sure we should try to stop drug use, maybe we should work on making them safer.
Of course, I'm for legalizing all drugs. Cocaine, Heroin, Tobacco. Gambling, Prostitution and not wearing seat belts too.
I would move to Vegas, but I don't want to do those things, just make them legal.
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Re: Steroids and professional baseball - August 17, 2005 2:28:00 PM
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If that is the case, there would be no thing as natural ability worthy of honors or hall of fame recognition. Why? because everyone would be inducted.
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Re: Steroids and professional baseball - August 17, 2005 7:56:00 PM
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Randy Dixon
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Why would you think so? Steroid use is not a new phenomenon, it has been around since the 1950's, what is new is steroid testing.
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Re: Steroids and professional baseball - August 18, 2005 1:36:00 AM
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Sebastian Asselbergs
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An athlete with a strong financial backing - team of PTs, ATs, MDs, MTs, sportpsychologists, high tech equipment, latest materials, best nutrition, money to do altitude training, time to acclimatize to location of competition - these are all "giving an edge" to that athlete. The only difference with steroids is that those have been deemed illegal. There are all kinds of health risks involved in high level training - even without steroids. It is the fact that steroids have been deemed "illegal" that they have a different place than say, NSAIDS.
I am NOT saying that they should be looked at as perfectly OK, only supporting Jason's and Randy's thoughts.
What is natural ability? The swimmer with the slickest scientific suit? The ortho with the newest and best scope technique to fix a shoulder? Athletic competition has rarely been on a "level field". Caffeine was not considered a drug for a long time, and was being used by some athletes in large doses. Perfectly legal.
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Re: Steroids and professional baseball - August 18, 2005 2:11:00 AM
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I think we all have this romanticized notion of everyone being on an equal playing field, and athletics being about sportsmanship and ethics and things like that.
While many people may have been brought up like that, that was NEVER the case in the past throughout most of the history of competition. Searching for an edge is not new, what is new is the silly lines we draw that says some of those things are OK and some are not. That's the artificial part. Not the steriods.
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Re: Steroids and professional baseball - August 18, 2005 4:25:00 AM
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Randy Dixon
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In a topic that usually gets related to this one. What about "amateur" sports. Specifically college sports. Should we insist on amateur status for our college players?
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Re: Steroids and professional baseball - August 19, 2005 5:54:00 AM
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JLS_PT_OCS
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Having "college" athletes actually be college students and graduating at a reasonable rate would be a nice first step...or start giving more scholarship money to students with academic ability but not physical ability.
What a concept.
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Re: Steroids and professional baseball - August 19, 2005 1:28:00 PM
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Randy Dixon
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We disagree on this one Jason,I say let the athletes get paid. Come right out and let the schools be the farm leagues for the pros.
I don't think any other country has the same type of feeder system for their pro sports. As it is everyone involved gets paid, and paid a lot, but the athletes, the ones actually doing the work and taking the risks. Trying to prevent this just causes a lot of bureaucracy and corruption. Of course, it's well worth it to the schools and the NCAA, it's worth billions.
If students then wish to play outside of these leaugues, then by all means, let them play.
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Re: Steroids and professional baseball - August 24, 2005 5:52:00 AM
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I think we really agree here on what the end result should be, Randy, just not on how to get there.
I think the graduation rates and past scandals about grade fixing and "tutoring" show pretty well that you can either be a high level athlete deserving of compensation from whoever you're making money for, OR you can be a college student who is studying and working toward graduation.
I'm not against paying people, but perhaps then we could drop the "they are students" thing that is essentially a facade in most cases.
Perhaps a farm system whereby the players work for the school, get paid and take a few token classes, with the deal that they can come back and study at that school at a later date for free or for some prearranged tuition/fee reduction.
I think that system could be more attractive to players who end up going pro and then "retiring" in their 30s with a broken up body and no marketable skills for their future.
Their level of competition might determine their academic load, etc. For example, DI students could just be taking one class or so, while DIII students could choose to continue their studies and athletics as they currently do.
I think the existing "sports scholarship" programs are terribly unfair to the many people who could pursue college intellectually but cannot acquire a scholarship. Meanwhile we have people in class like many athletes who clearly are playing at being students while they earn tons of cash for the school as an athlete.
I agree that the current system is unfair for the athletes in most cases, as only a relatively small percentage will go on to a successful pro career.
I would even support the medically supervised use of steroids for those athletes as well.
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Re: Steroids and professional baseball - August 24, 2005 7:13:00 PM
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Randy Dixon
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It seems we do agree.
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Re: Steroids and professional baseball - September 10, 2005 5:14:00 PM
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[URL=http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/8795.0.html]Here's one more report[/URL] that makes me feel like they ought to start competitions with the new althlete's credo, "May the best doctor win".
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