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gerry -> added muscle (March 30, 2005 6:31:00 AM)

My son mentioned yesterday that his health teacher at school said 7 pounds of muscle tissue was the maximum that could be added during one year. I'm not sure what conversation this was a part of, but I can imagine that teenage boys were boasting about adding weight and that it was all muscle.

I have never thought about this before, but it has peaked my curiousity. I'm off to search for information, but thought I would drop off a note here first to see if anyone had some good info to share.

Thanks!




JLS_PT_OCS -> Re: added muscle (March 30, 2005 9:35:00 AM)

I think that mass gain is dependent on many factors, too numerous to fully elucidate in one forum post.
Some factors:
age, gender, pretraining status, genetics, body build, volume of training (volume is what builds mass), nutritional factors, etc.

The idea that there is some sort of physiological maximum gain is kind of silly, and certainly a wild guess.

Certainly, if an established bodybuilder attempts to put on 5 pounds of muscle, that would probably take about a year of strict eating and lifting discipline.

I think a new male trainee, with the proper nutrition and training program, could put on more than 7 in a year for sure. Just check out hollywood actors who got "pumped" for a role...that's a good example.

I think the body composition thing is a whole can of worms that is tough to really measure well, and that teenage boys should be focusing on proper program design and appropriate goals, with the help of an educated person to guide them. A strength coach is best, but many high schools have those or have gym coaches who are very skilled and knowledgeable in the conditioning field. That may be the take home message there...
J




gerry -> Re: added muscle (March 31, 2005 4:39:00 AM)

Jason,

Thanks! From what my son said, it sounded like the teacher was talking about some sort of physiological maximum. But I'm sure he could have misunderstood something the teacher was saying as he was dozing.

From some general reading yesterday, it seems the closest I found to anyone stating a maximal lean body mass gain was 20 pounds. This was assuming the most favorable variables like you said Jason, such as an untrained young male with nutritional support.

I liked your example of actors preparing for a role. Another example I read was college football freshmen.

Thanks!




JLS_PT_OCS -> Re: added muscle (March 31, 2005 5:28:00 AM)

You're welcome, gerry.

Please also remember the issues with dietary supplements and steriods among teenage athletes, that is a huge part of this discussion, and please talk to your son about these things if you have not already.
Best of luck.
Jason.




gerry -> Re: added muscle (April 1, 2005 4:16:00 AM)

Jason,

I appreciate your reminder. My son is not necessarily interested in bulking up at this point, although I know that temptation is constant for boys his age. There was a segment on one of theose news shows last night on the young man who committed suicide while doing steroids. I think it was a repeat, but it was another good reminder about how prevalent this is.

What dietary supplement issues are you talking about? Herbs? Creatine? Protein supplements? I want to be up to date as much as possible given his age and his sports interest.

Thanks!




JLS_PT_OCS -> Re: added muscle (April 1, 2005 6:14:00 AM)

Supplements - all of the above. Plus numerous others, too many are coming out each day with supposed ergogenic effects that have some scary active ingredients in them.

The end message is that these kids can get MUCH better results from a good training program including: nutrition from whole foods not supplements, appropriate conditioning program, and enough rest at night than any "edge" they might get from a supplement.

J




bonmar -> Re: added muscle (April 6, 2005 3:50:00 PM)

My son is a freshman at a private division I high school and played football this year(lineman). He is presently 188lbs and is 5'8". The coach has told him that he would like to see my son weigh 200lbs for the next season. My son is following the work out weight lifting regimen the coach lists in the gym 3 times per week (and he runs on his own). There are no nutritional guidelines to follow, however.
This post helped shed some light on realistic, "healthy" weight gains. Where would I find a proper nutritional plan for my son to follow? He is somewhat shy and would probably not ask the coach for an eating plan (and I definitely could not call the coach up and ask without risking my son killing me!!lol)




jma -> Re: added muscle (April 6, 2005 4:24:00 PM)

Hello,
In the past, I have seen diet plans listed in Muscle and Fitness Magazines, although they are more suited for those who train seriously. You could also try Mens fitness magazines. They probably have diet plans listed for college athletes. There are probably others and they can all be scooped out at the Barnes and Noble magazine section. Sorry I can't be specific about which magazines to look into more.

JMA




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