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Re: PT ownership - December 13, 2006 4:20:00 AM
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proud
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I thinks Rob's point of becoming actively involved in the profession is vital. Unfortunately too many clinic owners who opened up in the late eighties are just milking our great profession for all it is worth.
Those that actually care about the future of this profession need to act. As Rob said, attend as many meetings as possible. Do not let the "shake and back" clinic owners control your college( many do).
Do not work for clinic owners who do not support continuing education. Work for clinic owners who pay salary as opposed to per patient.
And if you are passionate about this great profession( not passionate about the almighty buck), then you should be a clinic owner, we need great clinical leaders do flush out the "Mcdonalds of Physiotherapy" types. The sooner the better.
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Re: PT ownership - December 14, 2006 4:27:00 PM
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rwillcott
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Sebastian:
Here in New Brunswick it is our College that has protected the name physiotherapy as well as physical therapist, registered physiotherapist, physiotherapy etc. By protecting these titles the College is acting in the best interest of the profession and the public to avoid confusion.
I asked the College what can be done if someone attempted to advertise that they are performing physiotherapy. It was explained to me that these terms are protected and the College has the legal right to have a lawyer send a letter advising they cease and desist.
I am amazed that these titles are not protected in Ontario. It is up to the College to regulate the profession in order to protect the public. I agree that we should be educating the public about our strict regulations and that this is a positive aspect of out profession.
Rob
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Re: PT ownership - December 14, 2006 4:33:00 PM
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ONstudentPT555
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Rob,
I agree with you and I have talked to many other PTs who also agree that the term physiotherapy should be protected and the Ontario college should take more responsibility for this and other issues.
Rob you are from New Brunswick ... I was talking to a PT today and I explained to him how that in NB the term physiotherapy is protected and that PT clinics have to be 100% owned by PTs but this individual did not believe me... is there any website or anywhere that I could point this individual to let him see that this is indeed the case in NB and other provinces as well.
Thanks,
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Re: PT ownership - December 15, 2006 12:17:00 AM
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Sebastian Asselbergs
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Rob and ONstudent, I fully agree that it would be in our interest here to have "physiotherapy" protected - however, our situation was guided by the new Healthcare legislation act and rules, which had a load of specific regulations (can't recall offhand the what and how) including the "title protection of Physiotherapist" but NOT "physiotherapy". The College can't alter the legal situation - it could lobby more, but lobbying is normally NOT done by Colleges, but by the association.
The issue of a "cease and desist" letter is therefore not applicable here.
I agree, we need more PTs getting on the bandwagon here in ON....As I said before, I am NOT optimistic about that.
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Re: PT ownership - December 17, 2006 7:18:00 AM
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ONstudentPT555
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I think I am going to contact the OPA representative at my school and my area about the issue of protecting the term physiotherapy and make sure all my classmates are aware of the situation.
Can someone let me know in which provinces the term physiotherapy is already protected and perhaps provide some links that outline this information.
Thanks
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Re: PT ownership - December 18, 2006 6:29:00 AM
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Sebastian Asselbergs
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Way to go, ONstudent. I'll keep my eyes open for that info.
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Re: PT ownership - December 18, 2006 3:11:00 PM
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rwillcott
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ONstudentPT555:
Sorry it took me awhile to repsond. I hate Xmas shopping!
I would be more than happy to provide that information for you regarding ownership and the protection of our titles. The website for the NB college is poor and I'm quite certain it's not on there. It might be best if I faxed this info to you. Do you have access to a fax? If so send me a private message with the number and I'll fax the information to you.
Rob
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Re: PT ownership - December 18, 2006 4:22:00 PM
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dfjpt
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Here is [URL=http://www.alliancept.org/alliance_resources_newsroom_npag_tor.shtml]an organization[/URL] that seems to be protecting the term. I think this organization is the governing one over all provincial bodies.
With regard to point two, the document says; [QUOTE]² Physiotherapy, physiotherapist, physical therapy, physical therapist, physiothérapeute, physiothérapie, PT, and pht are official marks held by the Canadian Alliance of Physiotherapy Regulators. The terms physiotherapy and physiotherapist are considered synonyms for physical therapy and physical therapist respectively and will be used interchangeably in this document.[/QUOTE]
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Re: PT ownership - December 18, 2006 4:47:00 PM
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ONstudentPT555
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hey dfjpt,
I was wondering if you could tell me if the term "physiotherapy" is protected in BC.
Thanks
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Re: PT ownership - December 18, 2006 5:30:00 PM
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dfjpt
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I'm looking into it. I think it is. Maybe James would know. James?
It looks to me like this Alliance, which is national, sets the boundary for the country. Perhaps it's no longer a provincial responsibility? Just a thought. If there's an issue about this in Ontario, maybe it's actually the Alliance you should contact, in that it would seem it takes precedence over provincial organizations.
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Re: PT ownership - December 18, 2006 7:44:00 PM
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james097
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dfj, The Organization,Canadian Alliance of PT Regulators is not a formal organization and therefore I would think have no power to protect anything. Not even the CPA would have that power, only provincial law through the Colleges. I believe that Physical therapist or Physiotherapist can only be used by those in good standing and registered by the relevant college. Physical therapy has been used by chiropractors and others in the past and claim they were doing a physical therapy routine, a routine which could be done by anyone physically. All references have in the last few years been absent from the Chiropractic yellow pages. Now rehabilitation and wellness seems to have taken the place of PT. I shall check in with our College and let you know.
Jim McGregor
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Re: PT ownership - December 19, 2006 5:03:00 AM
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ONstudentPT555
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In Ontario there are still some chiropractors who are advertising under physiotherapy in the yellow pages and also advertising that they can offer physiotherapy/physical therapy in yellow pages ads, signs ect.. without having a registered physiotherapy working at the clinic.
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Re: PT ownership - December 19, 2006 6:57:00 AM
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Sebastian Asselbergs
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...a thorn in my side, Onstudent, but one little positive: NO insureance will pay for "physiotherapy" services provided, UNLESS there is a PT-registration number on the bill....
Not a good situation by far, but at least most of the patients will need to see a PT (Reg.) for insured PT-services.
Problem is of course that it is needlessly complex and confusing for the population, let alone denigrating for the profession...
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Re: PT ownership - December 19, 2006 4:34:00 PM
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Sebastian, Confusing for the public now perhaps, but not as bad as it used to be. Years ago under the Physiotherapy listing in the yellow pages chiropractors, massage practitioners, osteopaths and naturopaths all advertised. Then only one line was allowed, name, profession, address and telephone number. I had a phone call one day from a very irate physician about a patient he had sent me with a sore shoulder and I was asked the reason I gave her an enema. It was resolved, she picked the wrong address, the naturopath being the enemarister. By the next yellow page year we had claimed our own separate listing. Very little single line listing nowadays, I see some full page adds, and in colour.
Jim McGregor
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Re: PT ownership - December 20, 2006 12:28:00 AM
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Sebastian Asselbergs
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...James, i hope that naturopath does NOT have full page colour ads about the provided techniques... :D
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Re: PT ownership - December 20, 2006 9:29:00 AM
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Re: PT ownership - December 20, 2006 12:45:00 PM
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proud
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Is someone going to remove the above?? It's annoying.
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Re: PT ownership - December 20, 2006 3:45:00 PM
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james097
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My post of the 19th is correct. Only those in good standing with their college can call themselves a Physiotherapist or Physical Therapist although anyone can practice physical therapy.
The only group that I know that has seen their scope of practice curtailed by the government in this province have been naturopaths. Their act was changed dramatically a few years ago, no more doing medicals or PAP tests, never found out why.
Jim McGregor
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Re: PT ownership - December 20, 2006 5:22:00 PM
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dfjpt
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James, who is in charge of monitoring/enforcing this, PABC? And why couldn't that Alliance statement be taken on board in BC? Seems weak if others can "provide" something called physio/physical therapy.
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Re: PT ownership - December 20, 2006 7:45:00 PM
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james097
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dfj, Our College protects the public and also protects our professional name, physical therapist. The college will take someone to court if they call themselves a physical therapist when they are not members in good standing. PABC has no legal say in these matters. To say you are doing physical therapy does not mean you are a physiotherapist and anyone can say it. The use of "doing physical therapy" from those who are not RPTs is fading away, it's all wellness, rehab, holistic, and patient-centred, whatever all that means. Now the Alliance certainly gets together all aspects of
PT and I'm sure comes to many well founded conclusions. Reading the parts on visions, collaboration and mission statements all might sound a bit grandiloquent to the PTs in the trenches, a bit like watching "Yes Prime Minister"
but I am sure they are furthering our cause.
The Alliance do not seem to have any act rules or regulations so presumably the members come to agreements that each province, school and association can deal with within their own juresdictions.
Jim McGregor
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