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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 24, 2006 7:11:00 PM
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ONstudentPT555
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James,
Sorry I guess that was a mistake on my part but I thought that osteopaths were not allowed to work in hospitals as physicians.
They are allowed to do surgery? and prescribe medicine? even if they are not MDs? This is what I meant by physician... I guess I just never heard of a DO working as surgeons and hospitals in canada in the same capacity as they do in the states.
And what other errors have I made other than spelling?
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 24, 2006 7:27:00 PM
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ONstudentPT555
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If you are reffering to the add that Jeep posted a link for I already explained that this is not the add I was reffering to .. I would like to think I can tell the difference between New York and Canada.. I mean I did get into a PT program.
A representative from the Ontario Physiotherapy Association came in to talk to our class and she had mentioned that belittling add which prompted the OPA to launch there own add/vision of PT :" Freedom to Function". I wish I had a link to this add but I dont .. so if anyone is curious they could contact the OPA representatives and they may be able to give you an idea of the exact details regarding it.
And for chiros advertising that they can offer physiotherapy .. well I have seen this with my own eyes.
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 24, 2006 7:33:00 PM
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jesse14
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ONstudentPT,
I know i may not be the best person to give advice but it seems like you get pretty rilled up when somone attacks you on this site. There is no need to get defensive. As you've told me over at the SDN forum, you know you're going be succesfull once you're done at mac. There is no need to respond to coments about spelling. If that was the case, i'd be constantly defending myself haha (I can't spelll. As is true for me, there is so much that i don't know and i can only assume it's the same for you. I probably don't even know what i don't know because i've never been in practice. I duuno, i think you're doing fine and i think you know you are too. There is little need to get so mad at strangers:)
But i do have one thing to add... i have NEVER seen a chiro organization put down another profession. I have seen individual DC's claim to be better than MD's and that's just laughable. But with respect to PT, please provide the link to the site that says what you said the OCA said.
Take care
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 24, 2006 7:35:00 PM
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james097
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ON student, Any MD passing the Canadian boards and having trained in a Osteopathic medical school
could practice surgery if they were qualified to do so. How would you know except looking at their CV. You not so Bad!
James
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 25, 2006 6:23:00 AM
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jbird007
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I took physiotherapy classes in chiropractic college, and separate national and state board exams related to physiotherapy.
Despite some DC's anger, PT's can and do manip.
Despite some PT's anger, DC's can and do physio.
I do not see a problem with either.
J
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 25, 2006 6:25:00 AM
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jbird007
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" i have NEVER seen a chiro organization put down another profession."
Jesse14. Talk to your daddy.
J
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 25, 2006 7:50:00 AM
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Jeep
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Onstudent posts a declaration of DC ads, but upon scrutiny of that declaration, posts the following ancedote:
>>>A representative from the Ontario Physiotherapy Association came in to talk to our class and she had mentioned that belittling add which prompted the OPA to launch there own add/vision of PT :" Freedom to Function". I wish I had a link to this add but I dont .. so if anyone is curious they could contact the OPA representatives and they may be able to give you an idea of the exact details regarding it.<<<
Onstudent- this does not support or validate your assertion. In fact it makes it look like you are unable to keep your ancedotes straight. The above does not provide support for your assertion of an anti-PT ad by DCs. Until you can provide some non-heresay, documentable, support of your accusation..........skepticism will, as it very well should, prevail.
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 25, 2006 6:43:00 PM
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ONstudentPT555
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Jeep,
The truth is the truth whether somebody believes it or not... but you are right heresay is definetely not good evidence.. and I should not have brought up that issue .. without evidence to support it other than my own experience.
James,
I do understand what you are saying about DO being able to work in Canada but as far as I know Foreign educated MDs have a very difficult time getting liscenced to work in Canada so it would seem that although it maybe possible it is rare to have DO educated physician with training from the US being able to move to Canada and being able to practise. I know it is very competitive .. at least in Ontario and especially in recent years.
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 26, 2006 3:44:00 PM
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physioo
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I work with an osteopath who studied in Aussie
He cannot call himself a doc
his services are limited
no neck manips!!
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 29, 2006 3:54:00 PM
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FLAOrthoPT
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amen
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 29, 2006 5:21:00 PM
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jbird007
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He should have been a DC! :)
Or a Spinologist!
Jbird
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 30, 2006 3:26:00 AM
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TMondale
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J,
A tired old discussion on this site, but anyway how would you like it if those of us who manipulate misrepresented what we do, and called manipulation practicing chiropractic? or chiro? or chiropractia, or anything else with that theme?
Up in arms I'll bet. Justifiable outrage. We wouldn't do it.
Tim
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 30, 2006 7:35:00 AM
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jbird007
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Honestly, it does not matter to me, but legally you would get reprimanded if you used the term "chiropractic".
DC's do not own manipulation.
I am not threatened by people who are Spinologists or any spin-offs.
Jbird
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 30, 2006 11:16:00 AM
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ONstudentPT555
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Thats why Physiotherapy should be a protected term as well.
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 30, 2006 12:44:00 PM
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jbird007
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ON,
I think the important thing is that we are specialists. If we try to do everything we become jack of all trades master of none.
I admire PT's passion and expertise. It is reassuring that I can refer a pt for PT work and know they can deliver the goods.
It is good for the patients and is also nice to have a working relationship based on trust and respect.
Jbird
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 30, 2006 1:00:00 PM
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ONstudentPT555
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I agree with that jbird.. but thats why we need the term physiotherapy/physical thereapy protected just like the term chiropractic is.
So we dont confuse the already confused public about who does what ..and so we try to prevent other professions from falsely advertising that they can offer the same services as PTs when they dont have the same education.
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 30, 2006 1:27:00 PM
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proud
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ON,
I can see your point of view for sure. I used to feel the same way.
However, as with anything, the cream rises to the top. Everyone claims to be experts in MSK management, few actually are.
In the end, those that produce the best evidence will demonstrate who provides the best bang for the buck. Physiotherapy/physical therapy is slowly becoming synonymous with 'expert in MSK management'. No need to protect it. That is for trades who are overly concerned because, well frankly,they should be concerned.
Just provide the best care in accordance with the evidence and the rest will take care of itself.
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 30, 2006 1:34:00 PM
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jesse14
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Not to start a war or anything but what can a PT do that a DC can't? I asked the same question in another forum and got a lot of hostility but no real answer? Isn't a DC's education 4 years (in canada) and a PT's 2 years? Intuitively one would reason that the 2 extra years of training corrisponds to more skilled practitoners. Once again, that's NOT a statemnt, but a laymens (mine) thought process. DC's are trained to do and can by law use such modalitoes as heat/cold therapy, ultrasound, traction, ART, muscle stimulation (those suction cup thigs :) , actice and passive stretching exercies etc. What more does a pt do? I ask because i really don't know and not to sugest that they can't do more.
thanks
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 30, 2006 1:47:00 PM
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proud
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Jesse,
One word: Subluxation. Look it up and you would see where the time is spent.
Other than that the two can pretty much do the same things.
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Re: salary for a new PT vs a new DC - October 30, 2006 2:00:00 PM
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PainFreeMan
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Hey guys,
I have been enjoying reading all your comments for the past few days. I just found this forum last week while surfing the net. I can’t seem to draw my self away from this site….love reading everyone’s input. I just want to put a few words of my own here. To me, DCs and PTs, despite of their differences, lets not forget why we are in the health profession in the first place. What were the goals of our pression. We may hold different degrees or licenses ( MD, DO, OD, RN, PT, OT, DC, PharmD…..on and on and on). We all have one thing in common……..PATIENTS! I personally don’t care who does what as long as we have the right training and do the job the way it should be done; our patients will benefit from it. I am constantly torned between the two professions…..I feel like the child with parents going through divorce…which side should I be on? Which parent do I prefer to stay with? I love both professions and think both have their places in healthcare. I work with both DCs and PTs and have a great working relationship with both. The two professions have so much in common and yet so different in many ways. So, why not be humble and learn from each other and benefit our patients?
Doug
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