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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 28, 2005 8:19:00 AM
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paulpt
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I wonder if Oregon would have lost to Michigan State?
You are right about FSU and WV.
I am a Penn State fan by the way.
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 28, 2005 8:41:00 AM
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Michigan State? Okay, men... if Oregon were to have played MSU in September there would have been a high probability that MSU would have won. If Oregon were to have played MSU any time after September, Oregon would have had a high probability of winning. MSU started out okay, but didn't have a great and wonderful season - just a great start of the season.
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 28, 2005 2:18:00 PM
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ND 35 OSU 17. But frankly, who really cares? USC is the team to watch, and they're going to threepeat. Go Trojans!!!
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 28, 2005 4:19:00 PM
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Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS
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Wisecracker, you are right. The only bowl that matters is the Rose Bowl. There needs to be a playoff system.
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 28, 2005 5:59:00 PM
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We do have a playoff system, it starts week one. You lose and your out. I love it that 12 games count and not just 4 or 6 at the end of the season. In a playoff system at the end of the year the ND/SC game doesn't matter and what a shame that would be.
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 2:28:00 AM
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Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS
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My argument for that would be that the current system then does not encourage the big match-ups like ND-SC. More and more teams are scheduling powder puff teams. Look at Oregon this year who played Houston and Montana. What the hell?
Nebraska was notorious for this too, they would play several crappy programs including some 1AA schools.
Look at West Viriginia this year who plays in a weak Big East conference. They were one close loss from being undefeated. Penn state lost on a last second play to Michigan otherwise they would be undefeated. Under the current system this would have left 4 undefeated teams and two would not even have the opportunity to play for the NC.
Unfortunately, the current system only gets it correct 1 out of 6 years and this year happened to be one of those basically because there were only two undefeated teams left in the country.
I say take the top 8 teams at the end of the year and have a playoff.
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 4:05:00 AM
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[QUOTE] Unfortunately, the current system only gets it correct 1 out of 6 years and this year happened to be one of those basically because there were only two undefeated teams left in the country. [/QUOTE]I would disagree, the BCS gets it right every year. Your argument about playing a weak schedule (insert Auburn or whoever you wish here) will only hurt you in the long run even if you go undefeated and you will deservibly not play in the NC game for doing so. Strength of schedule matters. SC lost to a crappy team 2 years ago and felt they deserved to play for the national title, sorry but if you lose then there are no excuses and if you play creampuffs there are no exucuses. If you play in a weak conference then you should schudule some tough OOC games to make up for it. A playoff does nothing except more of the same Auburn and SC whining about who didn't get in. If you don't believe me look at march madness and every year they are bitching and complaining about the # 65 team that didn't get in and the regular season matters not. College basketball doesn't start until March, I don't want college football to start in December.
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 4:21:00 AM
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paulpt
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the #65 team has less of a claim of being robbed than the #3 team.
This year, the BCS lucked out when Mich scord a touchdown on the last play of the game against Penn State. Who would have been jobbed out of that game... and let us say that ND won the game against USC.
BCS only works for the championship game when there are 2 undefeated teams.
And the rest of the bowl matchups can be considered jokes. FSU or WVU should playing Minnesota School for the Skinny in the Rehabedge.com Bowl
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 4:25:00 AM
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TLB
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[QUOTE] BCS only works for the championship game when there are 2 undefeated teams [/QUOTE]Wrong again, it pits the 2 most deserving teams and concerning ND/USC if my Aunt had balls, well you know the rest.
That bowl game last night I thought was pretty good and the basketball tournament started with I believe 16 teams and has grown to 64 over the course of time due in large part to people whining about not getting in and money of course. Either way the regular basketball season doesn't matter until playoff time I would hate to see that happen in football.
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 7:36:00 AM
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Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS
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Gets it right every time huh? How about the 2004 Nokia Sugar Bowl when a 12-1 Oklahoma team played a 12-1 LSU team for the national title. A very good 12-1 USC team was left out of the picture even after Oklahoma was beat in the Big 12 championship 35-7!!! OK still got to go play in the big one and of course were beat by LSU. USC then went on to trounce Michigan in the Rose bowl. In this year there was not a consensus NC! They still talk about this every time you turn on ESPN and in fact on USC's website they claim the NC. They even talk about a three peat this year for the NC if they beat Texas. According to the great BCS system they were NOT the national champions. No one will ever know because LSU and USC did not get to play each other. It is a broken system!
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 7:58:00 AM
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Alex,
You must of missed my earlier posts. SC lost to a crappy team earlier in the year and played in a poor conference and yes beating Michigan it not such a big thing (ask Texas or Nebraska). The 04 Sugar had the 2 best teams in the BCS championship game whether you like it or not, if SC thought they got jobbed then they sholdn't get beat by a patsy. And the BCS championship is all that counts so no they have not won 2 MNC's in a row unless of course they win the rose this year.
It's sort of like today's society nobody is held responsible for their actions it's always someone else's fault. The big bad BCS left out a one loss SC team that beat a poor Michigan team, so what, take responsibility for your loss and quit whining. I do believe this is the best system out there without making the regular season irrelivent. It really doesn't matter though because there will always be someone out there whining that the BCS doesn't work or if they change to a playoff system they will whine that their team just missed getting in and we need to expand the # of teams and it's not fair, yada, yada, yada. It will never end no matter what they do. I'm officially done, just like ND against OSU.
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 10:01:00 AM
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Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS
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In my opinion, LSU had its ass handed to them in the Big 12 championship game. 35 to 7 !!! SC lost that year in triple over time early in the season to a decent CAL team (who I believe was ranked at the time). Week after week SC became better and better along with their Heisman trophy winner Carson Palmer. The two best teams did NOT meet in the championship game that year. I am not defending SC, I am a Notre Dame fan and SC is our bitter rival. I am just dissing a system that in my opinion needs fixing. I think you are in a VERY small minority if you think that SC should not have been in that game.
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 10:36:00 AM
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paulpt
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The bowl games would be made irrelevant by the playoff system, and the regular system would matter oh so much more.
If every conference champion, plus say 2 wild cards, made it into this tourney, the regular season would be much more important. You would have to either win your conference, be the second best team in the best conference, or be Notre Dame to make it into the tourney.
Sometimes, the national championship is not won in the BCS but on Sundays. Carson Palmer vs. Rohan Davey is just the beginning of the comparison.
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 11:46:00 AM
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Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS
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Here is what you do. You incorporate the bowls into a playoff system. Here is what I propose. Keep the BCS to get the top 16 teams at the end of the season and have a 16 team playoff. The top two teams will be put across from each other in the brackets.
This is how this year’s bracket would have broken down.
On the left bracket you get this:
#1 USC versus #16 UCLA
#6 ND versus #11 WVU
#3 PSU versus #14 TCU
#8 Miami versus #9 Auburn
On the right bracket you get this:
#2 TX versus #15 TT
#5 Oregon versus #12 LSU
#4 OSU versus #13 Alabama
#7 GA versus #10 Virginia Tech
How can you not get excited about these match ups? Notice too that you would most likely get a ND-USC rematch as well as an eventual USC-PSU OR ND-PSU match up and this is just in the LEFT bracket! All you have to do next is incorporate bowl games in each match up until you reach the final two which would be the Rose Bowl. Can you imagine watching the above games this holiday season as opposed to the crap we have been watching all week?
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 12:13:00 PM
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TLB
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Why did you leave out Louisville, FlA, and Boston College? Man this is a rip off, a travesty I tell you. It must be the biased media that left these much deserving teams out of the playoffs. There will never be any justice in college football.
Sorry Alex, but I couldn't resist.
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 12:14:00 PM
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SJBird55
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Can I ask a really stupid question? Alex, the Italians have college football available for you to watch? And if they do, does that mean that probably based on the time zone differences that I'd know the final scores before you even got to see the game??
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 2:00:00 PM
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Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS
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Well Todd, they were not in the top 16 according to the computers. I personally can live with that rather than leaving out an undefeated number 3 team.
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 2:33:00 PM
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I agree with Alex on the playoff system in Division IA.
This is not a new concept to college football, all other divisions have a playoff system. Division IAA has a 16 team playoff, division II has a 24 team playoff, and division III has a 32 team playoff.
A 16 team playoff will create a 15 game season for the team, if a IAA team can handle it so can a IA team.
I would guess a major reason against a playoff is the money draw of the big bowl week.
I have to disagree with Paul
[QUOTE] If every conference champion, plus say 2 wild cards, made it into this tourney, the regular season would be much more important. [/QUOTE]It's just the opposite. If a I-A team loses 2 games during the regular season their done. Now look at the I-AA, you have Northern Iowa that started the season at 4-3 and made it in the championship game against Appalachian State. Both teams went into the game with an 11-3 record. You will never see an 11-3 team in the BCS system playing for the national title (unless all other teams are 10-4).
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 2:56:00 PM
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karmzack
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I forgot to place my prediction
ND - 28
OSU - 14
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Re: Fiesta Bowl Contest - Notre Dame versus THE Ohio St... - December 29, 2005 5:02:00 PM
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[QUOTE] Well Todd, they were not in the top 16 according to the computers. I personally can live with that rather than leaving out an undefeated number 3 team[/QUOTE]Well guess what, it's not going to change anytime soon no matter what the masses think or want. The NCAA Presidents and AD believe this is the best system and I tend too agree, so you are in the minority. The regular season will continue to count no matter what the instant gratification crowd want's. #6 Oregan just got beat by an unranked OU team, should they still be in the 16 team playoff?
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