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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 26, 2004 7:26:00 PM
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coloradojulie
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23 countries with a population base significantly less than the US...nor are their budgets as extensive of the US...on a relative scale the contribution is probably very comparable.
84 countries have joined forces with the US in military, financial and supportive efforts. Canada, Germany, Turkey, Australia, Bulgaria, Denmark, Estonia, India, Italy, Spain, Thailand, Ukraine, Britain have all sacrificed soldiers lives in the line of duty.
Canada has committed $300 million dollars over the next 3 years.
The military budget (defense spending) in the US has increased by 50% since Bush came into office. In billions of dollars.
Medicare reimbursement has not decreased. Most recently it was increased by 1.5%.
Using your numbers, both the doctor and the teacher are paying the exact same percentage of their wages towards medicare taxes....3%. Why should you pay less if you make more...it seems fair to me that you pay the same percentage no matter how much you make. Will $1160 dollars effect a $40,000 a year earner more than $11,600 dollars will a $400,000 earner? Generally speaking those who make more money consume more resources...they can buy more, travel more, etc.
Your tax money goes to many services as illustrated by Mcap, beyond medicare.
The republican congress who budgeted and passed the medicare bill estimated cost at $450 billion...with the cushion for pharmacuetical companies, the actual number was $650 billion...30% higher. Greater spending.
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 27, 2004 3:50:00 AM
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chiroortho
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canadajulie,
The teacher doesn't pay the same % for Medicare taxes as the self-employed doctor, she pays half, because her employer pays the other half while the doctor pays the whole amount because he is self employed.
Let's cut to the chase. If you like Canada and socialism so much, why are you and so many others like you in the US? You come here to take advantage of opportunities in the US, and then slam the policies of the US...I don't get it.
Your posts speak for themselves.
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 27, 2004 5:30:00 AM
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chiroortho
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Phil, I suggested no such thing. I merely made the mistake of using logic...why would anyone want to move to the US if they don't like the economic system of the US?
Is that a difficult or illogical question for you? If I don't like socialism, it's a no-brainer for me; I won't move to a socialist country.
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 27, 2004 7:15:00 AM
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chiroortho
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Begging your pardon, Phil, but there seems to be a lot of interest in this thread.
If you're not interested, feel free not to click on it.
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 27, 2004 7:18:00 AM
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Diane
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Phil, you sound so... sensible! I'm glad you decided to pipe up. What a relief.
By the way, it is a common mistaken idea that pervades American thinking, that everyone under the sun wants to move to the US. I would never want to. (Like Chiro has pointed out, if one doesn't like living under a given system, eg: Reap-ugly-can't-ism, one will never move toward it.)
I would think having to pay half of employees taxes would be incentive to keeping minimal numbers of employees. Or it probably still works out to be favorable in terms of write-offs for taxes; employees can't write off the same volume of costs that empolyers can. Plus without employees, no one will ever be able to make "serious" money.
ColoradoJulie, would you be so kind as to email me? My address is under the profile icon above this post. Thanks.
Diane
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 27, 2004 7:21:00 AM
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chiroortho
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"Reap-ugly-can't-ism?"
Is this typical of Canadians? Until now, I had held them in higher esteem.
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 27, 2004 7:40:00 AM
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Diane
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Well, no, it isn't typical. I'm a bit of a misfit Canadian. Most Canadians are too polite to even engage in raucus political debates, however my mind sort of just blooted that one out, and there it landed.
Now I will conform to my Canadian culture and apologize for my unseemly comment and any ill effect it may have produced in your or anyones' immune or nervous systems.
I am sorry if my comment offended this board or you, ChiroOrtho.
Diane
PS: Actually I didn't think the esteem in which you held Canada/ians was all the high to start with..
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 27, 2004 7:52:00 AM
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chiroortho
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Think nothing of it.
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 28, 2004 7:16:00 PM
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coloradojulie
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Chirortho: I find it interesting that you are personalizing this issue. I also find it interesting that in my comments you have found it necessary to begin bashing Canadians. How very mature and respectful of you.
I don't think in any of my comments did I say that I didn't like the US. Like any resident of this country I agree with some things and disagree with others...as you do. Would you suggest that all Republican supporters leave the country when the democrats are in power and vice versa?
I have really tried to express my opinions without making it personal. I find your comments insulting. I would be more than happy to debate a topic with you, but I am uncomfortable with how easily you presume to know the motivations of individuals on this forum.
I came to the US because I like to travel. I happened to meet a delightful man...American...and have a dual citizen daughter whom is a gem. I love the area I live in and enjoy the benefits of a democratic society.
I have benefited from living in both the US and Canada. Canada is still my country of citizenship, and as long as the international political climate remains as it is, I will keep my Canadian passport.
Unlike you, I have direct experience with both systems. In my discussions if you will read and "listen" I am not a proponent of absolute socialized medicine nor for private insurance. I have suggested a combination system.
I would like to think as Phil has pointed out, that you don't have to agree with everything in order to enjoy living in that country.
From this point forward I will no longer respond to your posts or give them consideration, as I feel that they are of little benefit and merely antagonize and attack those who have a different view point. You have insulted with empty rhetoric some of the very respected people on this forum.
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 29, 2004 3:34:00 AM
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chiroortho
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Julie: your rant was unnecessary. I insulted you?
I'll give the viewers of this forum one guess as to who posted these comments:
we would be a little more altruistic and give a **** about the wealthfare of our fellow man
and how about this one:
You crazy republicans can sling it better than anyone.
If you're so easily offended, julie, you should not be participating in forums.
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 29, 2004 6:20:00 AM
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Diane
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Lighten up chiroortho. Your reactionary-ism is spilling all through the thread. Please take your nap. As for who should or shouldn't be on the board ... why are you still here?
As to in-PT's original question, as a watcher from outside your border, I'd lay odds that it doesn't matter a bit who gets in.
Diane
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 29, 2004 6:49:00 AM
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chiroortho
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diane, don't patronize me.
I feel like I'm in an argument with two 9 year old girls, and that's certainly a waste of time.
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 29, 2004 7:25:00 AM
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Diane
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Two nine year olds babysitting a 2 year old. Bye bye.
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 29, 2004 8:23:00 AM
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IN-PT
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This thread has been very interesting (until the last few posts). That aside, I agree that upcoming US elections (not just presidential) play an enormous role in the future of our practices/professions - because of the undeniable impact of the baby boomers and medicare issues. I hope that EACH of us will exercise our political rite to vote...and express our particular opinion. Thanks for the discussion, I'm still willing to read more constructive views - there's a lot of time between now and November.
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 29, 2004 6:02:00 PM
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hmgross
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What's next, religion? You know what they say...Meanwhile my brother just got sent to Kajistan (is it safe there, I hope so) and wishes things would settle down in the world so he can become a civilian again. Joined the Air Force reserve to help get through college (not sure if we were considered lower or middle class, but certainly didn't have the funds or strings George had).
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 29, 2004 8:12:00 PM
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OUPT
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Colorado Julie... "very comparable aid"??? 23 countries giving 100 million and the U.S. giving 5 billion (that would be 50x as much aid.... meaning the total population of all 23 countries would be only 6 million people to match the U.S. dollar for dollar). As for the 300 million Canadian... that's probably straight from the money the U.S. gives Canada anyway.
Gross... First of all, I hope your brother will be safe and you should be proud to have him serve in our military. With that said, I do not intend to offend anyone... but I probably will. What is this garbage you finished your reply with..."certainly didn't have the funds or strings George had"? What is wrong with our country (that would be the U.S., Canadians need not reply) calling up the reserves? Wasn't that part of the contract they signed when they took the government's money? If you don't want to serve in the military, don't sign up for it. Sounds pretty simple.... just take out a loan like hundreds of thousands other students do.
Chiroortho... thanks for standing up to the socialists on this thread. It is like they either don't know or care that flipper Kerry lies about his voting record (says he voted "yes" on bills he actually voted "no" on), is more elite than Bush ever could be (has 6 homes worth well over 30 million), and would change healthcare worse than it was for our profession(s) a few years ago when Clinton tried to screw us all (no pun intended).
Colorado Julie again.... do you think the Bush administration increasing the military budget 50% is a bad thing? Unless you want the terrorists and suicide bombers to bring their ideology to North America (that includes Canada), we should want more money to be spent on defense instead of providing another free social program for the drugged out bum on the street. I would rather my money go for saving the lives of innocent, hardworking Americans (and Canadians) than giving more free handouts to individuals already getting a free ride (this does not include poor families where someone actually works).
Do us all a favor and at least watch Fox News or read a couple books from conservative authors to balance out the liberal newspapers and reporting prior to voting this fall. (I was a democrat up until a couple years ago)
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 29, 2004 8:52:00 PM
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Diane
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"...that's probably straight from the money the U.S. gives Canada anyway."
OUPT, I had no idea that US gives Canada money. Could you elaborate?
Diane
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Re: 2004 Election - How will it impact our profession? - March 30, 2004 5:10:00 AM
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chiroortho
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Go to:
[URL=http://www.esdb.cdie.org/cgi-bin2/broker.exe?_program=gbkprogs.ctypage_2.sas&_service=default&type=std&output=1&cocode=1CAN+]http://www.esdb.cdie.org/cgi-bin2/broker.exe?_program=gbkprogs.ctypage_2.sas&_service=default&type=std&output=1&cocode=1CAN+[/URL]
Total loans and grants from 1946-2001, nearly $2,000,000,000.
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