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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - April 30, 2005 7:57:00 AM
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Diane
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - April 30, 2005 10:46:00 AM
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Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS
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Todd,
I saw the Dr. Feelgood tour when I was in highschool in St. Louis. That is the one where Tommy Lee had a hidden drum set up near the top of the stage and he rode it out above the audience and played wearing only some black speedo type underwear. It rocked.
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - April 30, 2005 12:05:00 PM
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 2, 2005 9:31:00 AM
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NorthernPT
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What is everyone's opinion on this question?:
What is the time frame you see the public referring as their PT as "Dr....)
5 years
10 years
20 years
never
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 2, 2005 12:11:00 PM
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dosrinc
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Northern , for a long time to come there will be more non DPT PT's than there are DPT's, I would guess it won't become commonplace for another 10 years or so
Rick
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 2, 2005 3:19:00 PM
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jma
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I think its when the Vision 2020 kicks in, when all PT programs graduate DPTs. Unless it happens sooner than planned
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 2, 2005 6:39:00 PM
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ptdan23
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I think if we come together as a profession it will happen sooner rather than later.
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 2, 2005 10:01:00 PM
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There is a theory of Marketing Research that states that once a product reaches 20% market saturation, there is a sharp increase in demand until market saturation reaches steady-state at about 80%.
This is evident in the fact that most MPT students that we have at our hospital are talking about and asking questions about the t-DPT even before graduation. The fear of not wanting to be left behind if the profession moves faster than expected toward the DPT seems to be the driving force in the minds of most new-grad MPT's --- but experienced clinicians are starting to rethink the value of the DPT too as more information about the low-cost of t-DPT education is coming out. As more and more DPT students come into the clinic with organ system diagnostic and imaging skills that the CI's don't have, there is a growing curiosity (and fear) among experienced PT's that the profession may be moving forward without them.
As such, the expectation is for 20% market saturation by 2010, and I'd suspect 80% market saturation by 2015 or so. You'll hear "Doctor" in the clinic as commonplace by 2012 or so --- but after all the chanting our profession did about chiropractors not being "real doctors," we're going to have to eat crow for a while from both the public and from other healthcare providers before being accepted as equals among other non-medical clinical doctors such as DC's, OD's, DDS's, and DPM's. We'll be calling each other "doctor" and be ridiculed by patients, public, and physicians for decades beyond 2015 before we as a profession are afforded the respect that our collective level of education would otherwise entitle us.
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 3, 2005 2:43:00 AM
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On the subject of whether PT's should be called doctor, I find myself asking, "Will calling PT's "doctor" make this world a better place?" and "Will doing this provide the consumer with a clearer understanding of their health providers?"
It would seem that our 2020 vision doesn't seem to include the cost of low redefinition of 'doctor'.
Personally, I'm actually optimisitc about the general public's intelligence enough to put away the make-up and try to continue to offer something of substance as I know that will make this world a better place.
jon
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 3, 2005 3:40:00 AM
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Sebastian Asselbergs
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My wife has three honours degrees (three related but different fields), yet she won't be entitled to "doctor". A total of 12 years of high quality education at universities of high standing.
So, does she care? Not a whit.
Does anyone really care? Really only a few PTs - most will continue to be "PT" this-or-that, or just "Sebastian", "Jon" and so forth.
I agree with Jon - patients over all seem to be able to get past that DR. bit both with their family physician or chiro. Heck, my family physician hasn't been called "doctor" for years - by his staff or his patients. He's "Frank" - and a **** good doctor.
And Drew, your last paragraph was bang-on!
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 3, 2005 4:04:00 AM
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I think that sometimes the public, our patients are smarter than we think. How many of them already call us doctor? I had a couple do it yesterday. I walked out in the waiting room to get a patient and she was on her cell phone and she told the person she was talking to "I gotta go, the doctor is here."
Dan, PT.
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 3, 2005 5:52:00 PM
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One of the books Barrett used to make some points on his last tour of my neck of the woods was [URL=http://www.alaindebotton.com/status.htm]Status Anxiety[/URL] . I thoroughly enjoyed it and gave it to my brother-in-law who could use it more than I. However, he didn't read it as far as I can tell.
I noticed on the website that there were some video clips. I thought the clip titled [URL=http://www.alaindebotton.com/tv_status.htm]On Schopenhauer[/URL] was germane to the thread.
Enjoy
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 5, 2005 10:35:00 AM
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What I think is interesting is as PT's are working towards being known as "Dr.", it seems more younger physicians are becoming more casual and going by their first name with patients, as least here in the midwest.
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 6, 2005 8:01:00 AM
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I could care less about what patients call me.
"Captain" works fine in the Army, "Jason" works fine other places.
To me, the DPT was always about more equal footing for practice defense and encouragement of private practice and autonomy than anything else.
It is unfortunate that a title gets in the way of that sometimes...
J
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 6, 2005 8:44:00 AM
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Dr Simon Bacaltos
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PT's as DOCTORS is inevitable! We're far better trained in the sciences and we're proving to the world that PT works in many conditions.
PT scientist with their labs are found in many prestigious academic institutions (e.g. NYU, Columbia, USC, etc.)and working in collaboration with other scientists of various persuasions. We're seeing PTs teaching in a medical schools
(I doubt that you'll find a chiropractor there).
I guess some people (PT's or non-PT) are so bias against this profession, maybe because they're miserable, unhappy, or down-right clinically depressed. For them this profession will forever remains static and will never progress to a degree of professionalism that many hopes.
Dr Andrew Still the founder of Osteopathy might look favorably on PTs and might even call PTs as the true heir to his osteopathic vision and philosophy. Looking at current osteopathic affairs, would probably make Dr. Still turn in his grave and resurrect in protest....
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 6, 2005 8:54:00 AM
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JLS_PT_OCS
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Good point, Simon.
Or do you prefer Dr. Bacaltos?
:)
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 7, 2005 7:50:00 AM
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Dr Simon Bacaltos
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Amen!
Dr Jason Silvernail
or is it Mr Jason Silvernail?
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 7, 2005 4:21:00 PM
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Umm, Dr. Bacaltos - I'd hate to direct your attention toward your reading ability or lack thereof, but "Captain Silvernail" might be potentially better than either of the choices you gave Jason. LOL Thought I'd intervene so maybe you aren't asked to drop and give him 10 or 50 or whatever the general rule of thumb is for errors. LOL
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 7, 2005 6:25:00 PM
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Bacaltos...forgive me but you are retarded.
You don't understand the first thing about being a DO or osteopathic medical schools...so don't use AT Still in your odd world of self-justification.
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Re: Should PTs be called "Dr." - May 7, 2005 9:41:00 PM
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Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS
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SJ. In a training environment that is typically 10 reps or whenever the drill sargeant decides to let you get up which sometimes could be a very long time. One time I actually had to stay in the front leaning rest position (military term for push up position) for close to 30 minutes because I did not make my bed quite to standards. Good times.
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