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oasiv -> any aggressive athletes out there? (September 30, 2005 10:17:00 AM)

Hi,
I am in my final year of a DPT program and I was wondering if there are any others in the field that are involved in aggressive sports. When I tell people such as CI's, profs, and classmates that I enjoy bmx and big mountain skiing I am met with adversity. I cant tell you how many times I have been lectured about how irresponsible it is to bike and ski the way that I do. If any other adrenaline junkies out there could offer suggestions regarding how they handle negative responses their lifestyle, I would be thrilled to hear them. thanks!




JLS_PT_OCS -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (September 30, 2005 10:49:00 AM)

Why do you see a need to handle it?
Just ignore it.

I'm a Libertarian Buddhist Vegan currently serving on active duty in the US Army, so I think I know a little bit about "negative responses" to my lifestyle choices. :)
It doesn't bother me.

In the Army, we do all sorts of craziness, some of us even jump out of airplanes (not for me personally, but...).
I study Brazilian Jui-Jitsu and right now I've got a bruise on my forehead and my neck is strained from having a 280lb guy throw me over and then having him land on my head. When some colleagues hear about the joint locks and stuff we do, they just shake their heads and think I'm crazy.

Look, everyone interprets risk differently. Being in a healthcare profession, many of us tend to be over-conservative, because we only see the injured people usually! There are far more ACL patients in my clinic from soccer and basketball then there are my training partners in jui-jitsu. Or the BMX riders you've met.

Your colleagues are just imagining the injuries they've seen from those types of activities. What they HAVEN'T seen is all the people who participate in these activities and DON'T get hurt. And hey, injuries are part of life. The people with the worst pain and injuries seem to me to be the ones who weren't engaging in "risky behavior" to begin with. It has been my experience that people are very strange about risk. They won't fly on airplanes for fear of dying, but they'll drive their car. They think the handgun in their house is dangerous for their child, but they have a swimming pool in the back yard. Clearly, emotion and personal experience weigh more heavily than data when it comes to risk stratification.

You aren't likely to get anywhere by trying to convince people that what you do is OK. Does it really matter anyway? Just smile, shrug your shoulders, and say "to each his own, right?"

J




Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (September 30, 2005 11:04:00 AM)

I have walked out of the back door of a Chinook helicopter with a parachute on a static line at about 2000 feet at 2 in the morning wearing full battle rattle in the pitch dark. Pretty good rush.

Jason, you leg.




SJBird55 -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (September 30, 2005 11:20:00 AM)

Ah, just tell 'em you have insurance, you're worth more dead than alive and if you do die, well, you'll have a smile on your face.

Or, you could tell them that the speed is never the issue, it's just the inertia of movement brought to an abrupt, unplanned halt that creates problems. And then, respond with a smile, that the night before you are involved in either of those activities, all your documentation is completed so an easy transition could occur for anyone who ever had to walk in the clinic and take your place.




FLAOrthoPT -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (September 30, 2005 11:22:00 AM)

i do have say though our job is not easy to perform while on crutches. I have given up skiing and other truly avoidable risks. I cannot afford to be out of work for 6 months. But to each his own, I do not think you need to be lectured, tell them you even dress yourself in the morning.
Ben




JLS_PT_OCS -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (September 30, 2005 11:26:00 AM)

Alex, don't get me started on the Airborne thing, buddy... I just came from Fort Benning, Georgia, where airborne training is done. I just saw too much. That goes to the heart of what I said about risk stratification being personal.
I mean, I'll get my neck cranked by a 300lb submission wrestler and arm barred twice a week, but there's no way I'm jumpin' out of a plane. Or a helicopter for that matter.
:)

I think I like SJ and Ben's responses better than mine, though...
J




oasiv -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (September 30, 2005 1:33:00 PM)

"To each his own". Good stuff. Thanks I agree that those involved in healthcare are uber conservative! You offer a logical explanation that it is a result of exposure and thus bias. Thanks for the insane stories and witty replies!
Risk calculation is personal. It's nice to recieve feedback from an outside perspective. This is why I posted this question. Thanks!!




Jon Newman -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (September 30, 2005 5:53:00 PM)

So Jason,

Do you ever hear anything like this?

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jon




ehanso -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (September 30, 2005 6:11:00 PM)

Good thread. I was a goaltender the first 3 years college at a D1 before I got into PT school. Then I played for another 15 after that at a fairly high competitive level.
A few aches and pains, but if i knew i good get out of bed in the morning, I would get on the ice within the next 1/2 hour. I still get a little nervous every fall when I can't find a piece of ice too big to put in a glass.




motorcyclePT -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (February 6, 2006 10:26:00 AM)

I ride and race dirt bikes. Everyone thinks I am crazy, but it is what I enjoy. If I wasn't a PT I would be a motorcycle mechanic.




Placebo -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (February 6, 2006 6:08:00 PM)

I'm an MMA fighter, not even amateur yet though and I played semi pro paintball the last two years.




Sebastian Asselbergs -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (February 7, 2006 1:00:00 AM)

Alpine ski, hanggliding, skydiving, solo sailing on the North Sea, martial arts, downhill on x-c skis, windsurfing, playing rummy with my wife - all risky sports I have engaged in. Now, however at my ripe age, I only do the alpine ski with my 10-year old and still play rummy at times....although I prefer Mah-jongg...more risk of flying tiles...what a rush!




ginger -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (February 8, 2006 12:52:00 PM)

There was time when I thought climbing in the peruvian andes and having near death experiences at sea while catching large tuna was the most exciting adrenalin rush to be had, then I tried bungee jumping in Nepal, whoosh , 500 free fall over the Bodakosi river, that was goooood. But all that , along with Motocross when I was in my twenties, Go carting , hang gliding and ballooning pales into a minor league compared to taking a taxi ride in Equador. Any time you want to feel real fear , just hire one in Quito and get him to drive across the highlands to Agua Caliente . No brakes, shoddy steering, no lights and a penchant for taking it to the limit along unmade roads where the edge of the road falls away to a 1000 metere drop, while he swills tequila and smokes a stogey, while talking to me in broken english while I encouraged him to watch the road for three hours of white knuckle hair raising potholes and swerving around trucks.
That did it for me.




Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (February 21, 2006 10:21:00 PM)

Ginger,
That is awesome!




MinnDasota -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (March 4, 2006 7:22:00 AM)

Wow! Yall have had some great adventures and I applaud you! Even though at one extreme these experiences may have an adverse effect on your career, on the other end, it is what keeps you sane, happy, and who you are! That is a good reason to keep on doing what yall are doing! I wish I could say I have done some of what you all have done! All I do is snowboard, breakdance, and play sports (which in itself can lead to many injures as we all know).




chita229 -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (March 4, 2006 4:31:00 PM)

Your not alone!!
I played college rugby while obtaining my ATC, but in PT school I havent had the time to devote to a team. Keep it up - just two words-"disability insurance" if at all possible.




ginger -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (March 6, 2006 2:51:00 PM)

haven't checked into this thread for a while, interesting to hear of your breakdance thing MInnDasota , I don't see any of that in Oz, unless you mean the kind of breaking dance where folks get mad at each other in crowded bars.
I'm planning to go back to Nepal this september for another bungee or three, as well as climbing the Annapurna trail up to Everest base camp. I hope my fitness is up to scratch, been doing lots of swimming but no running.
Snowboarding is a rush , or it is up to that moment when I do yet another face plant, it has nearly eclipsed skiing in the old two skiis way at many oz resorts.
Hope to hear of any other adventures if Cynthia or Alex or Minn or anyone has any to tell.




Randy Dixon -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (March 7, 2006 10:17:00 AM)

Long story. Back in 1986 I went to Pakistan to visit friends, while I was there I decided to go see the Frontier Provinces in the north. So my friend's friend's cousin told me he had relatives there I could stay with, he wrote me a note, half in Urdu, half in Pashtu, neither of which I read (though I can read a little now), put me on a bus with some instructions to the bus driver to let me off when we got there. Well, the bus drive was an adventure in itself, up in the mountains, and opposing buses constantly playing chicken. Whenever we stopped to stretch, I could see the crashed cars and buses at the bottom of the hills. The bus driver as a gesture of courtesy, or perhaps to protect me, had me sit right next to him, thanks. After driving all day, the bus stopped in the middle of nowhere, next to a little shack and the driver informed me I had arrived. I got out, he drove away and I stood there. After only 10 minutes or so a jeep and a small Toyota pickup with two guys in the back with automatic weapons pulled up. Six guys, all armed with automatic weapons got out, I stood there with a change of clothes, my toothbrush and an $9.99 camera from Walgreens. The guy who was the leader came up, I gave my best smile and handed him the note. He just glanced at it, and told me, gestured actually to get in the Jeep. No one pointed their guns at me, they didn't have to. I got in, not knowing if I had been kidnapped or what was going to happen. I was 21 and too stupid to be scared, it was just surreal. We drove about an hour and then we pulled up to a large compound, most houses are like compounds there, and a guy came out, they handed him my note, he looked puzzled then he ripped it up. I got a little nervous at that point. But then he came over and introduced himself in English, bad English but English.

I stayed with him 3 days, he showed me around his village and the mountains, they sent little boys running ahead to tell all the women to hide, I would just see them like ghosts flitting into their houses. I was a big hit, I had an entourage of a dozen men everywhere I went and more kids. They gave me an SKS to hold, and explained that their rival tribes might try to kidnap me or shoot me just to gain some points. That night they had a celebration because one of them had kidnapped a car. He showed me some opium fields and a small warehouse with small bricks of heroin.

They took me on a road trip, of sorts, there was no road. It was high in the mountains, pretty although barren. I mentioned something about Afghanistan, they told me we were standing in Afghanistan. This scared me, the Russians were there at the time, I had just finished ROTC, had been commissioned a second lieutenant, even though I hadn't been called to active duty yet. I could just see an international incident over me wanting to look at some mountains.

Anyway, when it came time to leave they drove me back to the "bus station", insisted on paying, and sent me on my way. They were real nice people. When I got back to Karachi, my friends were close to panic, the friend's friend's cousin had contacted them and said I hadn't shown up.




ginger -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (March 7, 2006 11:20:00 AM)

what a hoot, lucky to be able to tell it.




chiroortho -> Re: any aggressive athletes out there? (March 7, 2006 12:02:00 PM)

You guys are wussies. Just line up outside WalMart for their Thanksgiving sale and when they open the doors you'll see how the wild side lives.




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