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Andrew M. Ball, MS, PT -> PEDS-PT Discussion list (July 22, 2000 3:46:00 AM)

Dear Forum,

Like most of you, I've recently been included in Toby Long's peds PT discussion group. The problem is that many people don't understand the concept of a listserv and many people are upset with the flooding of e-mail.

I have offered to Toby et al. that RehabEdge may provide her a way to disseminate information in a manner that does not flood e-mails, and can organize threads a little better than the e-groups listserv.

To do so will mean that my "tone" will change a little bit (hmmmm, maybe you CAN change tone . . .), or even that my role as moderator may be coming to a close should Toby decide to take me up on the offer. To date, as most of you have begun to notice by now, I've said some pretty eccentric things in order to get people to pick up an article or two and read. It's been fun, and I've enjoyed the countless e-mails from clinicians telling me that they picked up their first article since graduation (10 or more years ago) in an effort to participate in the discussions.

From now on, my tone will be a little more true to who I really am were any of you to actually meet me. I'm not so much opinionated and angry, but rather curious, reflective, introspective, and passionate about sharing cool stuff with everyone around me. I want others to share in my energy about pediatric physical therapy and the cool stuff going on in pediatric research. Besides, there are several other emerging and anonymous police of evidence-based thought (I'm sure that Mcap, Bobcat, Dana, and others won't let me down).

Some people, on the other hand, have enjoyed and learned quite a bit from the intellectual jousting matches between Bobcat, Mcap, Dana, SJ and myself. What do RehabEdge members think? Anyone have a deep feeling either way?

Andrew M. Ball, MS, MBA, PT




Andrew M. Ball, MS, PT -> Re: PEDS-PT Discussion list (July 25, 2000 2:31:00 PM)

SJ,

No, I’m not going anywhere. This is more of announcement that I’m going to retire the “shock jock” character that I used to play, and ya’ll are going to get a chance to get to know the real me. I love hanging out on RehabEdge. I was just letting people know that I offered to Toby Long and Ann Van Sant that if they wanted to take over moderation of the pediatrics forum, or would like to share that responsibility . . . well, they have longer and stronger national reputations than I, and are APTA officers. I'd therefore be willing to share moderation with either of them.

My tone however MUST, and is going to change. I'm on the road to completion of my PhD, and I'd like to teach at the university level someday (By the way, I didn't get the faculty position that I applied for, so if anyone is interested in interviewing someone interested in teaching pediatrics and taking the responsibility for curriculum design and innovation . . . drop me a line). Anyway, pissing on, and pissing off the entire academic and clinical community is not likely the best way to achieve that goal. Being a physical therapy "shock jock" over the course of the past year has been fun, but I don't want to be the PT community's equivalent of Howard Stern . . . I think I have more to offer the profession than that and don’t want to get that kind of reputation this early in my career. Besides, there are more than a few anonymous members who stir up enough mud to keep things interesting.

When I took the role as moderator, I had done so with the single goal of trying to get people who had not read anything since graduation, to read articles and research with a vengeance (usually to counterattack me), and eventually with a passion for the profession. For many RehabEdge members, that has occurred. And it's been wonderful, and I'm very, very proud of having been an agent of change in that area.

The stature of RehabEdge discussions have been catapulted very quickly, to a national level. This has created more "celebrity" than I had anticipated or wanted. As a result, I have to watch my mouth a little bit. Not so much because I'm angering people, because most leaders at the APTA understood my hidden agenda . . . but because for some PT's, it just gave them a reason not to read, and then to quote my extremist positions as their opinion.

I'm flattered, but that was NEVER, EVER, my intent. The discussion about the Clinical Research Agenda is a good example. I went off just to try to get people to take a look at it, offer suggestions for improvement, and then figure out how clinicians and researchers could create mutually beneficial relationships that would eventually benefit the entire profession. In truth, I have a very few problems with the agenda, but I wanted for people to read it. For some RehabEdge members that worked, for others it did not. In that particular discussion, we never made it to that kind of intellectual discussion, so by my standards, that one failed.

Until recently, I had not considered ALL of the costs.

Drew




Andrew M. Ball, MS, PT -> Re: PEDS-PT Discussion list (July 25, 2000 6:09:00 PM)

SJ,

No, I didn't see myself as a shock jock, but several of my more experienced mentors that I deeply respect mentioned that that's what was happening. I (and most of them) would suggest that the "yipping and yapping" DID help . . . but that it also had a TON of unintended consequences that I didn't consider.

You think I have strings and contacts huh? I hadn't really thought about it, but yeah, I guess I do. I don't think of them as strings though, just people that I met at national conferences and continuing education courses and kept in contact with. On the other hand, I suppose I do go out of my way to meet people who's research I admire.

As for your question, we did have a Politics site, but nobody posted to it. I tried to start that up, but it just died out. Most PT managers discuss that kind of stuff (along with LOTS of CPT coding issues) on the listserv at PTmanager@e-groups.com.

APTA leaders usually don't comment on the forum due to policy, which actually made sense to me when Ben Massey, Jr. was explaining it to me a few months back. I don't want to put words in his mouth nor misquote him, and I'm not so sure I'd articulate the position well. So I won't . . . just trust me when I say that the APTA is justified in its position. His suggestion, was that we keep talking, and he'd keep listening . . . but we have not said much as a group.

That's not to say that individual members don't get personal e-mails from the APTA. My statements on the clinical research agenda, for example prompted a call from a very high ranking APTA official in order to remind me that several APTA past presidents specialized in pediatrics (Bob Bartlett), and that Patricia Montgomery, Toby Long, and I think Ann Van Sant were participants in the drafting of the clinical research agenda. I still had a problem with some things not being explicitly stated, but he was right, I did create a false impression for RehabEdge members. The point is, they do watch, they do respond, and they e-mail in private so as to protect the dignity of the person who posted.

I agree that there is a need for a way to discuss APTA policy and changes in an online "town meeting" and I agree that a listserv is not the best way to do that. I'm working on some distance education experiments with a friend/faculty member down in Florida, and it occured to me that the same technology could be used in order to conduct "town meetings" or continuing education in cyberspace.

I'd like to run a test run of a meeting, or continuing education event. I was thinking about doing a free online presentation on the neurology of walking, and PWB-GT. For starters, I only want about 5 people so that I can work out the bugs within a small group first, then I'll try with a larger audience. As a critic of the listserv format, an intellegent person with a clear comittment to lifelong learning, and an honest candor that would help to detect and squash bugs in the format, I'd very much like your invovlement in the beta testing. There may be online, yet personal introductions to several "strings" were you to particiapte. PLEASE?!?!?!?

To download the software, please visit [URL=http://www.geocities.com/drewpt]www.geocities.com/drewpt[/URL]

You'll find (in addition to a picture of me holding a patient from a few years back) a link to MEETING. Just download the software and we'll schedule a time for all of us to meet online.

Drew

[This message has been edited by Andrew M. Ball, MS, PT (edited July 25, 2000).]




Andrew M. Ball, MS, PT -> Re: PEDS-PT Discussion list (July 26, 2000 4:19:00 PM)

This is VERY different than netmeeting. Trust me.

Drew




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