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Re: Manual certification programs - December 15, 2005 3:20:00 AM
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JLS_PT_OCS
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I'm not "against it" being a cert program in general. What I am specifically against is the manual palpatory diagnostic illusions. My efforts to search for a cert program several years ago revealed that most if not all programs were very heavy on this sort of thing in their examination process, both manual and on the tests. Perhaps things have changed in the 4 years or so since I last looked. I cannot provide a first person account as Ben can, so perhaps he is a better source for specifics than I am.
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Re: Manual certification programs - December 15, 2005 3:12:00 PM
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srcase
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, the OMPT program mentioned in the original post and my post above is Cyriax-based as well. Thanks Ben.
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Re: Manual certification programs - December 16, 2005 3:07:00 PM
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Just catching up with this thread...
Jason, I totally agree with your first Dec. 14th post. I think I misled you somewhat in the Diagnosis and Palpation thread. The OMPT program at Oakland is NOT based on motion palpation, although it is a part it. It is based on symptom localization to find out what specific structure the pain is coming from. Symptom localization is a logical inference based on anatomy.
Sarah mentioned there are 80 hours of residency, but actually there are 280 hours with FAAOMPT PTs. There is also ongoing mentorship; once you've been through the program you can sit in on the classes again anytime & ask all the questions you have.
Where is JSPT? FYI: you can take the first year of OMPT as cont. ed & just pay the lab fees without paying the tuition. Then, if you decide to do the OMPT program, you'll pay for tuition but don't have to pay the lab fees again. You won't get the residency without tuition, but you will get an idea of what the program is about & whether or not you like it. To get info call 248-370-4041.
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Re: Manual certification programs - December 17, 2005 12:30:00 AM
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Thanks, Connie. My friend who went through Oakland's course has repeatedly impressed me with his new skills and his maturation as a clinician since completing the program.
The main reson that I am looking at that program is because it offers one on one mentoring. Supposedly, you spend an entire week working directly with one of the founders of the program (Evjenth, maybe?) on his patients in his clinic.
I agree with most of the posts that just taking courses does not a manual therapist make. Most courses are just lectures that give you information and send you to go forth and apply. I was seriously considering this program because I admire its graduates and really like the mentoring aspect.
Now, I just have to get around the 700 mile round trip once a month and the $10,000 cost when my clinic only offers $1000/year in Cont Ed!
I have enjoyed reading all of the responses; thank you again.
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Re: Manual certification programs - December 17, 2005 2:57:00 AM
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[QUOTE] ...arthrokinematic palpatory self-delusion... [/QUOTE]That is a priceless quote Major Jason.
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Re: Manual certification programs - December 17, 2005 3:30:00 AM
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Jon Newman
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JS, for what it's worth I don't pay my mentor anything other than respect. Perhaps I should buy him a meal.
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Re: Manual certification programs - December 17, 2005 4:04:00 AM
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A 7 course meal!
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Re: Manual certification programs - December 17, 2005 6:58:00 AM
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Jon Newman
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At least jma, at least.
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Re: Manual certification programs - December 17, 2005 1:47:00 PM
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Nice to hear that you have that opportunity, Jon. Unfortunately, the closest decent size city with manual clinics is 1.5 hrs away, and our 1 manual specialist is leaving for a new job.
So, although reading and posting on this fine forum has helped me learn quite a bit, I want some direct instruction.
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Re: Manual certification programs - December 17, 2005 2:35:00 PM
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Jon Newman
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Sorry for your luck. Your plight is quite common.
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Re: Manual certification programs - January 21, 2006 5:34:00 PM
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michaelemery
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Just joined. Looks like no posts regarding this topic for one month.
My opinion: CEU courses teach concepts "in space" with asymptomatic seminar participants. Application is learned through on-site mentorship with symptomatic patients - to observe clinical reasoning & deduction.
Some benefit does exist with coursework, primarily to obtain familiarity. Much more with fellowship to obtain clinical expertise and get desired outcomes.
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Re: Manual certification programs - September 27, 2006 5:02:00 PM
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I think pursuing manual therapy is well worth it. Depending on the program you elect to use, I think you can gain valuable tools that allow you to hone your skills in evaluative and intervention based approaches when seeing your patients. While there are many avenues to consider, I would not just choose one based on another therapists recomendation alone. Their opinion is valuable (especially if they have been through the process), but you should research on your own and find out what it's all about. Ask questions...call the Universities...speak to a professor who has been apart of the testing process. I recently completed the week long certification process through the University of St. Augustine and I found it to be a very rewarding experience... arduous, but rewarding.
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Re: Manual certification programs - April 24, 2007 8:28:00 PM
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I echo the sentiments of an earlier approach, that suggest a certification that is more ecclectic would be of more value. It is interesting however that no matter which system you choose, they all borrow from one another seem to stem from the work of Cyriax and Mennell.
http://www.manipulativetherapy.org/camt.php?page=about-ifomt-history
No one system can say with any certainty that it can outperform the other in terms of achieving optimal outcomes, yet they are all some variation of manipulative therapy(equal in standing); Just because schwinn may have invented the bike, doesn't mean it is the best bike, nor does it make a BMX, 10-speed or mountain bike any less a bike.
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