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local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 1:42:00 AM
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Tom Reeves DPT ATC
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Ok, I realize that this may start an "unacceptible" thread but I can't help it.
My wife (an SLP) was speaking at a local assisted living complex and just before her were a husband and wife chiropractor team. Dr. Sam and Dr. Jenny (that's what they call themselves, cute huh) described the philosophy of the straight chiropractor to a bunch of elderly residents.
They then proceeded to describe how one of their patients had been having kidney problems. Including symptoms like sediment in the urine and LE edema. After only three weeks of treatment, the sediment was gone and the legs weren't swollen.
Does this seem plausible to anyone? Or is it a dangerous thing to try and sell to old people who might just be on dialysis?
Chiro's that read this board, please enlighten me as to concievably (let alone evidentially) this could happen.
I look forward to the responses.
Thanks.
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 2:01:00 AM
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PainFree
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I've been in healthcare a long time and know of no chiropractors that would function in this manner.
< Message edited by PainFree -- April 3, 2008 4:51:11 PM >
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 2:21:00 AM
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Tom Reeves DPT ATC
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You are right. I changed the topic title, sorry.
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 2:33:00 AM
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These interesting claims and ads are not just in your locale Tom. Our local newspapers have daily ads with testimonials such as "my allergies are now gone...." etc. How do things like this sit with the chiros here? Again, as with Tom, I dont want to start all of the debating again, as that is quite thoroughly done in many other threads, just looking for your views on this fairly common practice of advertising interesting and seemingly absurd claims.
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 2:48:00 AM
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Tom Reeves DPT ATC
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I think that most of the DCs that post here seem to be reasonable people. My question is, When are you going to try and police your profession and call these people on the absurdity? We have 7 chiropractors in our town of 5300. I haven't heard one of them speak out against this kind of stuff. (two of them are the ones making the claim)
what if some old lady, on dialysis, decides that she is going to stop because her kidneys will be fixed by adjustments?
Also, the DC in question did not mention whether or not the patient in question was also on antibiotics and lasix. (perhaps conveniently forgotten during the sales pitch.)
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 3:15:00 AM
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Tom Reeves DPT ATC
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Agreed, but you will not find that type of claim in every town in America. However, you will find testimonials of every sort coming from the "DC Guild" in more places. You have to admit that the PTs police themselves a little better than the DCs. Crackpots sully your and my reputations.
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 3:39:00 AM
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Shill
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I agree too, Junction weve got some issues with that. It the advertisements that bug me.
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 3:44:00 AM
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Shill
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Wow, that IMT site is scary. First of all, they note " She started treatment with Integrative Manual Therapy (IMT) the following year and was treated with IMT for her upper quadrant, including rib cage, lungs, heart, diaphragms."
She had more than one diaphragm?
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 3:49:00 AM
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Tom,
All professions will have it's share of crackpots. It depends on how that profession tends to police itself. Chiropractic does a horrible job at it.
If chiropractic was at all concerned( as they should be regardless of their beliefs), they would participate in following recomendations set out by the Lewis trial. Instead, the CMCC had their lawyer claim the findings were "perverse".
This is why you see such adds all over North America. Thanks to the EBP movement, the end is near.
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 4:42:00 AM
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I do not promote chiropractic to cure disease nor do I even make promises I can "fix their back". Chiro schools are teaching that spinal interference can disrupt viseral function. This makes it difficult to condemn a chiro from making such claims. I once heard of a DC being prosecuted and lost her state license. She had a can where she instructed patients to dump out their medications. Some DC's considered the "superstraights" ( FSCO and OSC and a few others) make no claims other than stating a person will do better free of subluxations. Again the schools teach subluxation so how can Board Examiners prosecute or condemn that?
Many acupuncture professinonals make the same claim and honor nerve flow theory. Homeopathy people claim cures, Nutritionists claim cures and so do some medical professionals.
I will add more later.
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 5:20:00 AM
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jbird007
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I have never heard of DC telling someone to go off dialysis and this is not the norm.
Lets cut right to the chase Tom. What is the last name of the chiropractors? You stated your wife was there? Dr Sam and Dr Jenny what? They must have said their last name or handed out cards. If you can't find their names I am sure we can track down a married couple with those 2 first names. I am sure the public place where they spoke all fully aware of their last names. What was the place called? What state was it in?
BTW your wife could still file a board complaint and have the matter looked into.
JBird
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 5:38:00 AM
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jbird007
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btw..i am aware of proud allans agenda towards the CCE and Life College. Gathering some nibbles on the bait? :)
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 5:39:00 AM
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proud
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Here is a classic...
"Chiropractors say subluxations exist and the correction of it lets out the healing force. Rejuvenating and healing the body. Now all of your story has to be centered on that. Tell that story, learn to talk with authority on that subject. You don't have to love it. You don't have to believe it." - Sid Williams, DC (Founder and former President of Life College of Chiropractic, the largest chiro school.)
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 5:49:00 AM
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jbird007
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I will wait for Tom's reply. :)
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 5:50:00 AM
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Tom Reeves DPT ATC
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Jbird, the state is minnesota, the last name is
Gunlogson, Cornerstone Chiropractic, Montevideo.
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 5:51:00 AM
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Tom Reeves DPT ATC
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You act like I made it up. :)
thats just funny :)
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 6:07:00 AM
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jbird007
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Tom, I gotta keep you guys honest. If you would have stated their last name from the start I wouldn't have to ask for it.
Why not file a complaint?
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 6:44:00 AM
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jbird007
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Junction,
Sorry you can only use personal attacks as your contribution. I am semi-retired and a bit lazy but your statements are rude and uncalled for. You are entertaining though and seem to post quite often as well. :)
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 7:28:00 AM
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Tom Reeves DPT ATC
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jbird, the reason I don't file a complaint is that I didn't personally hear it. I have filed complaints before. Now on to reading your silly response thread.
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Re: local chiropractors claim they fixed kidney failure - September 22, 2006 8:03:00 AM
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jbird007
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Tom, the Board or anyone else is not going to prosecute a DC for doing what he was taught in school and recognized by state and federal governments. If it makes you feel better file the complaint. Then get back to helping people with PT.
Jbird
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