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Virginia campus - April 16, 2007 11:16:00 AM
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Sebastian Asselbergs
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Please spend some time thinking and praying for those lost in today's massacre.
What horror.
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Re: Virginia campus - April 16, 2007 11:21:00 AM
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My thoughts and prayers go out to any whose lives have been affected by this enormous tragedy.
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Re: Virginia campus - April 16, 2007 4:01:00 PM
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My prayers and thoughts to the families to those who were involved in this tastless massacre.
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Re: Virginia campus - April 17, 2007 3:38:00 AM
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Such a senseless act. My family's prayers go out to all of you affected by this horror.
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Re: Virginia campus - April 17, 2007 4:46:00 AM
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God be with them
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Re: Virginia campus - April 17, 2007 9:05:00 AM
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As one of the parents commented, this shows that there is truly no place where one is safe. What is the most alarming thing to me, is the seemingly unpredictable, unpreventable nature of atrocities like this. Is it realistically possible to stop things like this from happening? It is scary.
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Re: Virginia campus - April 17, 2007 4:57:00 PM
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I found Nikki Giovani's tribute poem[URL=http://video.msn.com/v/us/fv/fv.htm??g=9a12aa0c-466c-41c7-9933-af2636de0309&f=34&fg=rss]We Are Virgina Tech[/URL] challenging and inspirational.
If the link doesn't work you'll have to do a search.
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Re: Virginia campus - April 17, 2007 6:37:00 PM
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The most striking element of the tradgedy to me was the lost opportunity for Pres. Bush in his address following the news to push for gun reform.
How many lives need to be lost before gun reform is implemented, 100, 1000, 10 000?
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Re: Virginia campus - April 18, 2007 1:47:00 AM
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The deaths are horrible, and it's the parents and family of the victims that I feel so bad for. I cannot imagine losing a loved one to something to mindless.
But, of course, liberal mentality jumps out when these situations arise, such as PJs statement above. Hmmm, let's see, didn't someone in your country, back in 1996 at Port Arthur, kill 35 people? Didn't your country enact gun control laws that have caused steady and significant increases in violent crime SINCE those laws went into effect? Is not Britain dealing with the same thing? Here's a nice link detailing the violent crime rates in your country with these wonderful gun control laws:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902
Want an example of what strict gun control can do in this country? Take a look at DC...which has some of the strictest gun measures in the US, and of course some of the highest crime rates as well.
Duffy
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Re: Virginia campus - April 18, 2007 2:11:00 AM
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It is certainly a double edged sword.
A letter to the editor in the Madison Wisconsin morning newspaper posed a question I am sure most have thought about.
What if just one person in the first classroom was carrying a gun and was skilled in using it?
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Re: Virginia campus - April 18, 2007 2:57:00 AM
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If this thread is to turn into a debate on gun control rather than offering of support to those who suffered loss I'd at least encourage that the arguments focus on the effects of guns on society and the world as a whole versus this one situation so as not to limit the consequences any of proposals either for or against.
How this one situation could have been prevented in my opinion would have been a more effective manner to get Cho-Seung Hui the psychological evaluation he apparently needed at which point counseling or other action could commence. I understand there was some effort toward this end but I'm unaware of the details. Also, I'm confident that there will be some support for a "warning" system or action plan beyond what is currently in place.
Duffy, your demeaning use of "liberal mentality" is itself and example of something jumping out when these situations arise.
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Re: Virginia campus - April 18, 2007 3:27:00 AM
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Jon: What I said is hardly demeaning towards liberal thought....of which I support quite a bit. But the trend that I see occurring, included right here in this thread, is the weird way the blame constantly shifts from where it should be.
Cho is/was the criminal.
Instead, everybody seems to be blaming someone..."It's Bush for not enacting tough gun laws"...."It's our weak gun laws that are at fault"..."It's the school's fault for not acting fast enough"
Even you are suggesting someone should have given this kid some kind of psychological guidance, again taking some, if not all of the blame from him.
It becomes relevant because in our own profession and health care, we are seeing quite a bit of "I am sick, therefore SOMEONE is to blame"
Duffy
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Re: Virginia campus - April 18, 2007 4:38:00 AM
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Duffy I don't think you're arguing whether Cho had mental health problems so we can agree on that. You are also absolutely correct that I think this fellow needed help or that the public needed protection from him if that is what an evaluation determined.
I do think there is a stigma surrounding mental health that makes adequately addressing those concerns a significant barrier for people with mental health problems, something I think everyone suffers from at one point or another over the course of their life. As mentioned in the previous paragraph, some people are unable to be helped. They are wired the way they are wired.
Responsibility is an interesting topic and one worth exploring. It would probably lead to a greater understanding of the human predicament.
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Re: Virginia campus - April 23, 2007 10:23:00 AM
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Talking of guns, Venus Ramey, Miss America 1944 was confronted by robbers on her farm last week. On pulling out her colt 38, she steadied it on her walker and shot out some tires on the thieves get away truck. She held them at gun point till the police arrived. Although well known in the political world the grandparents of some therapists may remember her. She was one of the women painted on the front of B52 bombers during the war.
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Re: Virginia campus - April 24, 2007 4:50:00 AM
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Here is an article with an interesting view on gun control.
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=041907D
Meanwhile, an average of 5 Soldiers die each week in Iraq/Afghanistan and it barely makes the 4th page news in a tiny article underneath Anna Nicole Smith's baby custody battle.
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Re: Virginia campus - April 24, 2007 7:59:00 AM
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Sebastian Asselbergs
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Alex, I agree with your point about the soldiers. Their deaths are not sexy and don't sell newspapers and ad-time. Yes, I am cynical, but I firmly believe that this plays a role...
As for the editorial you linked: In my eyes a very poorly written and researched article. It quotes incidences, not trends and numbers, and raising crime rates, but no specifics about "gun-crime" rates. And the deaths by guns per population number is also suspiciously absent.
http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html an old article, but still interesting, and this:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1214-08.htm about the gun control in Australia...
I'll leave it at that - since this thread is about those grieving their losses....
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