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The baseball steroid report - December 14, 2007 7:33:27 PM
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jma
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Now that the baseball steroid report is out, whats you take on it? Personally, I think they need to work down the ladder because this didn't just start from the professiona level first but from the high school/collegiate level. Thoughts?
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RE: The baseball steroid report - December 17, 2007 1:45:41 PM
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Shill
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If anyone thinks that it is only baseball that has a problem, they are sorely mistaken. ALL levels of ALL sports need to do onsite random testing regularly, positive testing means the athlete is finished. Also, there should be a study or two (million) done on the potential/capability of the human body to grow large, run fast, etc, in the absence of illegal chemicals. What is a realistic size/weight/shape/speed that one could attain without cheating? IS this even plausible, given genetic variation?
As far as I am concerned, with baseball, they should fix the now. What's done is done, nearly impossible to prove. Fix the future.
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RE: The baseball steroid report - December 19, 2007 1:15:32 PM
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There are reports of junior high athletes taking steriods. The size of these athletes today is amazing and most lay people see it as "hard training" but then wonder why they die suddenly on the court or on the field at 20yrs old.
Is it that coaches need to be more scrutinized for the demanding 'involvement' with their athletes or is it that parents of these young kids need to pay more attention? I see both as I stand on the sidelines friday nights.
Just some added thoughts
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RE: The baseball steroid report - December 19, 2007 9:21:52 PM
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jma
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Agree with that 100%.
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RE: The baseball steroid report - December 20, 2007 12:30:41 PM
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I think it comes down to a few of basic issues. Our society worships athletes and looks down on people who are successful in other walks of life. People want something for nothing and are not willing to do the basics like long term hard work to reach their goals. They want a short cut. We have to realize that athletes who make it to the big Show in any sport are physiologially different. They have reflexes, speed and endurance that are different than the average person. Parents are re-living their lives through their children and will turn a blind eye or at least not ask questions when their kids start to bulk up. IMO it will take a couple of generations to move beyond this.
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RE: The baseball steroid report - December 20, 2007 1:56:50 PM
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Shill
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What you describe is the instant gratification factor in society. I can actually see things getting worse, not better, given the advances in technology.
I truly think that a no-second-chance rule would be a deterrant. However, the judging agency would have to be quite clear on what constitutes a violation of the substance abuce policy. Banned substances and testing procedures would also need to be strictly outlined, and infallible. Innocent until proven guilty should still have to mean something too. Polygraphs should be used for this.
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RE: The baseball steroid report - December 20, 2007 11:16:57 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Shill
Innocent until proven guilty should still have to mean something too. Polygraphs should be used for this.
They will just take valium to beat the lie detector.
If performance enhancement drugs were stopped entirely, I don't think you would hear about many more record setting athletes. The althletes would likely become slower, less muscular, more "human" and overall less impressive athletically. Who wants to watch sports become slower and world record times/distances stagnate? Not many, I would guess. There is only so much you can do as far as making running tracks faster and improving on natural performance etc..
Performance enhancing supplements are everywhere. During one of the Tour De France races in the 90's the cleaning crews in the hotels complained about all of the needles in the trash cans. You have the use of cocaine and amphetamines in many endurance and strength events. There is also the use of xanax etc. to keep a steady hand in rifle shooting or the combo of xanax and inderol which public speakers use to enhance performance. What about all of the police officers in the gym who are using steroids? These guys probably use steroids because they like being big, but also according to many to perform their jobs better (defend themselves and you against the bad guys). You also have the muscular forty something orthopedic surgeon on "hormone replacment therapy" walking around with enormous delts and traps.
There are the celebrities as well. A radio station apparently went through Harrison Ford's garbage and supposedly found ampoules of primobolan an anabolic steroid. What about Arnold Schwarzenegger the man running the fifth largest economy in the world, he has admitted to using steroids and is likely still on "hormone replacment therapy" . You also have Dixie Carter from designing women who has used growth hormone and supported its use. Danny Bonaduce lol (not a good example). Almost any impressive physique you have ever seen has used or is using some type of performance enhancing drug.
Why blame baseball when you have virtually all sports to blame, celebrities and all walks of life. I lifted some interesting quotes from an article (I did not dissect the article but it has been getting a lot of press):
http://www.jissn.com/content/4/1/12
non-medical anabolic-androgenic steroid=NMAAS
"But prevalence rates of NMAAS are at best stable, if not increasing, in spite of prevention programs, augmented law enforcement attention, increased legal penalties, state-mandated high school steroid testing programs, and various stricter sanctions by professional and amateur sports organizations."
It seems current intervention is not causing prevalance of NMAAS to decrease?
Who is using?
"NMAAS is largely an adult phenomenon; the median user was twenty-nine years old, agreeing with earlier reports [25,32]. Users were typically unmarried Caucasians in their 20s and 30s who initiated NMAAS use after reaching the age of majority. They were not active in organized sports. They were highly educated, gainfully employed, white collar workers earning an above average income; such high levels of functioning in terms of education, income, and employment are consistent findings [9,25] and are inconsistent with the popular view of substance abusers. In total, our findings belie the images of AAS users as mostly risk-taking teenagers, cheating athletes, and a group akin to traditional drug abusers."
These users in the study seem like regular hardworking educated men . The kids better not be looking up to their 30 yo successful and educated neighbor, he may inspire the steroid madness.
Conclusion
"The focus on "cheating" athletes and at risk youth has led to ineffective policy as it relates to the predominant group of NMAAS users. Effective policy, prevention or intervention should address the target population(s) and their reasons for use while utilizing their desire for responsible use and education."
Maybe new strategies need to be devised in order to decrease the prevelance of users?
I wish organizations did have tested and untested organizations for all sports. I imagine the untested organization would be much more popular, but it would give natural athletes a chance (if enforced as strictly as humanly possible).
Another good article for general reference (not related to controversy but for inerest) is from AJSM
It has been on the top 50 read for what seems like forever.
http://ajs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/short/32/6/1543
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