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Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 4:31:00 AM
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jma
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It may have been 5 years but I still remember what happened on 9/11, as if it were yesterday. My thoughts and prayers to those who lost loved ones.
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 6:25:00 AM
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jbird007
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There are a lot of unanswered questions surrounding 911. In all due respect to the tragedy and its victims, things may not be what they appear to be.
Touchy subject material, I know.
JBird
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 6:35:00 AM
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Shill
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What do you mean JBird?
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 10:57:00 AM
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jbird007
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There are many so-called "conspiracy" theories. I am not sure if they are valid or not and some of it I have dismissed entirely. But I do have serious concerns that all the information was not presented and other information has been swept under the carpets.
JBird
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 12:05:00 PM
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jbird007
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Because I personally have many valid unanswered questions(regarding 911) I am sometimes labeled anti-american and anti-government. This is untrue. I love this country and fought for it. Just because someone questions something does not make them anti-anything.
If a PT questions an "accepted" therapy are they "anti-PT" or traitors?
JBird
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 1:12:00 PM
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"Because I personally have many valid unanswered questions(regarding 911) I am sometimes labeled anti-american and anti-government. This is untrue. I love this country and fought for it. Just because someone questions something does not make them anti-anything.
If a PT questions an "accepted" therapy are they "anti-PT" or traitors?
JBird"
I'll probably regret asking this, but what are the unanswered questions?
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 1:34:00 PM
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rv36116
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Google "9/11 building 7"
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 2:49:00 PM
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rwillcott
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jbird007,
Hat's off to you for wanting to know the truth. Many are not willing to accept what the media is trying to convince us.
For someone to say that you are anti-American is wrong. In my eyes, the fact that you question what happened and want to know the truth makes you a proud American. You obviously care deeply about your country.
If you look at the events that followed 9/11 and the current state of the world it all seems a bit too convenient. I'm sure being a Canadian my views may not be appreciated as much. We see the events that took place through a different lens.
Ultimately, I pray for the families who lost loved ones on that tragic day. May we never have to experience something so horrific again. And may we find the path that will lead to peace.
Rob
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 8:16:00 PM
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jbird007
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Junction, the linked debate you posted was very good. The Popular Mechanics reps tapdanced nicely.
In retrospect, the Loose Change film provided many clips straight from live TV broadcasts and actual photographs.
How about the strange evidence (or lack of) at the Pentagon crash? It is obvious no plane crashed there. Again, just view the live footage. No real airplane debris was found except one front turbine piece but it was from different aircraft. If anyone wanted to debunk this the government would release the videotapes that were running at the time of the crash. Instead they were confiscated and are under lock and key. Why not show the tapes?
The other strange plane crash site measured 20 by 15 feet. Thats the size of a living room! Even if it crashed straight down it would produce a bigger hole than 10 by 15 feet. And no fire? No noticeable airplance debris? Watch the live footage and interviews. Not one body (full or partial) was found there. No signs of a wing, a tail, a nosepiece etc..just a living room sized hole with some scattered stuff.
How about the live interviews of the firefighters explaining how they could hear the bombs detonating one after another? Again these were live TV broadcasts/interviews. Our governemnt still refuses to address these types of questions.
How about all those cell phone calls? There was very limited cellular service at that time at that altitude. How about the guy who calls his mom and tells her his full name? "Hi Mom, this is Sam Jones." Nobody talks this way.
Bldg 7 "implodes" due to falling debris from the other towers? I don't think so. Again just watch the news footage and ignore the narrator and/or people who put together the film. Then we have Silverstein's confession of ordering the "pulling" of the building?
Why the big stock exchange from American Airlines just prior to 911?
Why were bomb sniffing dogs removed from the towers prior to the "attacks"?
Why did Silverstein take out a new insurance policy and have a rider installed to cover terrorism?
Why were there no military aircrafts put into the sky after the first plane/missile/whatever hit the tower? WHY???? Where was our armed forces??
Why did Bush state that he watched the first plane hit the tower on TV?
We all have seen the TV coverage of Bush sitting on his rump after he was notified of the attack. Why did he sit there?
Odd.
JBird
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 9:06:00 PM
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rv36116
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2 points about building 7, the key to what makes me wonder what happened on 9/11:
1 - even if building 7 (no plane hit it, and the 2 buildings beside building 7 were not damaged beyond repair by falling debris...)was burning all day, such as the windsor building (roughly 24 hours of burning) why would it fall?
-quick parallel example of the windsor building while it burned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUjaLQDJdMc
-after it burned (but did not collapse)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ywScL2dJKM
2 - The owner, Larry Silverstein, on this PBS special says after building 7 was burning, he told the fire department to pull the building, or make it fall... Answer me this, if it only takes a few hours to set up a building to fall that perfectly, why does it take "specialists" weeks upon weeks to set up the demolition of skyscrapers?
-Silverstein saying he ordered it to be demolished "Pull it"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3E-26oVIIs
-The actual collapse, quite perfectly done by those firefighters as told to demolish the building by Silverstein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osSdofWzuh4
But go search stuff for yourself, honestly, if you guys are happy finding out research for PT, this is the easiest thing in the world to research, plus you won't even need a PubMed account.
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 9:32:00 PM
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jbird007
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QUESTIONS
Why was the building remains/rubble shipped overseas and never investigated? but somehow they found one of the hijackers passport in all that rubble.
1. Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they
had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?
2. Why did Ashcroft stop flying commercial, citing an
unidentified "threat" in July 2001?
3. Why were there no photos or videos of the Pentagon plane?
4. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Bush out of
the classroom?
5. Where was George H. W. Bush at the time of the attacks?
6. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights all use the term boxcutters?
7. Where are the flight recorders?
8. Why were the FISA warrants discontinued?
9. How did Bush see the first plane crash on live camera?
10 Why was security meeting scheduled for 9/11cancelled by WTC management on 9/10?
11. How did they come up with the "culprits" so quickly?
12. How did they find the terrorist's cars at the airports so quickly?
13. Why did Bush dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force? I thought he told us all on TV he was going to get Bin Laden.
14. Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93?
15. Why was no plane seen at the Pentagon?
16. How extensive was the relationship between the Taliban, the ISI and the CIA?
17. What exactly was the role of Henry Kissinger at UNOCAL?
18. When was it decided to cancel building a pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan?
19. When was the decision made to send the FEMA to New York?
20. Why did FEMA spokesman Tom Kenney tell Dan Rather he was in New York on Sept. 10?
21. Why did the FBI in 1996 close the files to investigate Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington?
22. Why did Bush stop inquiries into terrorist connections of the Bin Laden family in early 2001?
23. Who made the decision to have John O'Neill stop investigating Al-qeada accounts?
24. Who gave the decision to give him a security job at the World Trade Center?
25. Did John O'Neill meet anyone of the FEMA in the night of September 10th?
26. What about media reports that hijackers bought tickets for flights scheduled after Sept. 11?
27. Why did none of the 19 hijackers appeared on the passenger lists?
28. Why would devout Muslims frequent bars, drink alcoholic beverages and leave their bibles?
29. Why would the hijackers use credit cards and allow drivers licenses with photos to be zeroxed?
30. Why did the hijackers force passengers to call relatives?
31. How did the hijackers change the flight plan without law enforcement or the military try to stop them?
32. Which hijacker's passport was found in the WTC rubble? Who found it and what time?
33. How could the FBI distinguish between "regular" Muslims and hijacker Muslims on those flights?
34. Why was there not one "innocent" Muslim on board any of these flights?
35. Did someone go through the passenger lists looking for Muslim names and label them as hijackers?
36. Where in the hell was our armed forces when this all went down???? Not one fighter plane took to the skies and not one military soldier was called to Ground Zero. WHY?
just a FEW questions..
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 9:39:00 PM
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jbird007
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Silverstien is a crook. He knew that 911 was going to happen thus he made sure to insure his building in order to make huge profits.
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 11, 2006 10:09:00 PM
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jbird007
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Much of what happened on September 11th remains at best unclear, and at worst terribly suspicious. The reality that the President of the United States spent more than 18 months resisting an official investigation into the most devastating tragedy in our history is in itself an outrage. But the reality that there is no official body still seeking answers to vital questions is an even greater outrage.
JBird
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 12, 2006 1:54:00 AM
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jlharris
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jbird,
I want to start off by saying you've lost any respect I had for you. You are selfish and wholy niave.
I think you have every right, and should, question how the government handled these terrorists attacks. But to suggest the government either A. New this was going to happen and let it for other motives or B. perpatrated it themselves, is (I'll say it) stupid and a slap in the face to all those who lost loved ones in this tragedy.
Read this: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
The people that make the claims that an aircraft did not hit the Pentagon conviently ignore the eye whitness accounts of people on the road watching the aircraft fly overhead towards the Pentagon and the colloborating damage to street lights in it's flight path.
Sad...you perfectly demonstrated how these "experts" take the focus off those who died for us and attempts to bathe in it for themselves. Sad
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 12, 2006 4:03:00 AM
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jbird007
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Jason, If this plane went into the Pentagon, where are the wings and tail section damage to the building. Where is the tail section as it was higher than the building. Look at the films and photos. Have you seen and read all the different accounts from witnesses? Some claimed they saw a missle, a jet, a small private plane etc. None of this adds up and to somehow accept a commerical airliner left a mere 14 foot hole in a building is absurd. If our government wanted to debunk this "Pentagon attack issue" they would show us the videotapes from the local stores and motels that filmed EXACTLY what hit the Pentagon. But they refuse. WHY?
One in three Americans believe as I believe. None of us are dismissing the personal tragedies of the lives lost nor showing disrespect. As a Vietnam veteran, I am outraged to this entire atrocity.
JBird
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 12, 2006 5:42:00 AM
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Jeep
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Jbird-
WHAT exactly is the "atrocity"?
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 12, 2006 5:55:00 AM
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Why does it not suprise me that jbird007 would be into conspiracy theories...
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Re: Remembering those on 9/11 - September 12, 2006 6:44:00 AM
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Jeep
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Proud posts:
>>>Why does it not suprise me that jbird007 would be into conspiracy theories... <<<<
Would you please explain?
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