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Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 28, 2007 3:37:00 PM
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physioo
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hi guys
do you think that if a PT is also a massage therapist, can this open more dors for him when it comes to gross income amd opportunities toown/work in a private clinic
would love to hear ur thoughts..
Cheers
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 29, 2007 1:01:00 AM
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Sebastian Asselbergs
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Nope. The hourly scale of MT fees is much lower. Less efficient time use.
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 29, 2007 5:33:00 AM
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proud
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Nope:
And again, Nope: And I think that it is important for any PT in this circumstance not blur the lines.
Soft tissue work is part of a total PT program.
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 29, 2007 9:19:00 AM
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jbird007
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I think it would be a plus, to have PT and MT experience, especially if you chose to practice independently.
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 29, 2007 10:06:00 AM
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physioo
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Yeah I know that ST work is part of a PT program and I have obv been instructed well..
however working in a clinic, busy, i have limited time to do massage...
WHat i was thinking here
was charging for massage therapy sessions
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 29, 2007 6:14:00 PM
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physioo
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some extra money plus treating the client more holistically
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 29, 2007 6:55:00 PM
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dfjpt
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physioo, you can be "just" a PT and still treat your client however makes you feel you've been thorough and connective. You don't need to acquire other training, nor do you need permission from some other piece of paper to become a great practitioner. Do PT the way you think it should be done. You've already got a license to touch people - for heaven's sake use it.
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 30, 2007 4:47:00 AM
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physioo
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lol
good reply dfjpt
I prefer to use manual therapy than soft tissue massage, dont worry, i hate using US/IFC and other modalities, as I believe a good PT is one who uses his hands....
i was only looking to this as a niche to make some extra $$
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 30, 2007 5:35:00 PM
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jlharris
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If you can get the massage pt's to pay cash then maybe. Don't see how you could charge them for "PT" treatment and "MT" treatment at the same time. Seems like you'd have to do either or.
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 31, 2007 6:32:00 AM
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jbird007
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I reaaly do not like to see people working to "make money".
Why not work to help people? The money ALWAYS follows.
JBird
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 31, 2007 7:49:00 AM
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proud
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Agree with jbird007.
Is the spirit of the board to look for ways to improve the care provided, or to look for slinky ways to make more money?
I figure if you want tons of cash...you made the wrong career choice.
Sorry.
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 31, 2007 1:06:00 PM
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physioo
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i give my utmost to help clients
all i want is for them to tell me they feel better every time they see me
so no, I am not saying more money
but doing a massage in a clinic where I work is impossible, if I see 4 clients an hour!
so give me a break ple :)
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 31, 2007 1:38:00 PM
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jbird007
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My apologies if I misread you.
Good luck and have fun.
JBird
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 31, 2007 3:27:00 PM
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drbuddy
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LOL, this thread is located under the category of "business development", is it not?
You can be the best clinician in the world, but if you never consider the business aspect of practice, you'll be bankrupt in no time. If you're a salaried employee or a student, it's very easy to say it's unethical to allow business decisions to enter into the equation, but those of us in private practice know that is not reality.
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 31, 2007 6:09:00 PM
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Marc Bronson
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Physioo
I also agree with dfjpt, your scope and training as a PT has given you the knowledge to be a great manual therapist.
That being said, you might want to consider billing for time spent if your more manual-based treatments take more time. I don't see why it couldn't be justified ethically to charge more for a 60 min tx than for a 30 min tx as long as you are not deliberately stretching it out just for the sake of making more $$.
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 31, 2007 6:31:00 PM
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physioo
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Thanks Marc
quantity vs quality ...
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 31, 2007 6:53:00 PM
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Marc Bronson
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physioo
Np... for me, quality ALWAYS trumps quantity. That being said, don't short change yourself and if your clinical judgement requires that you spend more time with a patient to enhance results, don't feel bad for charging accordingly. A mechanic here in TO has no problem taking $80/hr to fix my car! ;)
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 31, 2007 6:54:00 PM
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jbird007
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It could be a red flag for insurance companies.
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - January 31, 2007 7:32:00 PM
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dfjpt
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Of course it will be a red flag. Be ready for a visit. They have the right to investigate unusual billing patterns to rule out fraud; as long as you can show them that you are truly spending the time with the patients (show them your appointment book) and can explain why you provide your patients with more of your time/contact, they back off.
Of course, you can always choose to be cash only and not have to deal with them at all.
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Re: Physiotherapist and Massage therapist in Canada - February 1, 2007 3:28:00 AM
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physioo
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Totally agree with your analysis and the example re mechanic that you gave was something I discussed with a kin few weeks back!
Unfortunately, I am not an owner,but merely a physio working in a clinic, and thus, having to see 4 clients an hour sometimes, with emphasis being on increasing numbers, makes it hard for me to improve the quality of care. I understand it is frustrating but I always try to give the best quality of care in the allocated time.
Cheers
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