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I need help with SCPNT - September 16, 2002 4:53:00 PM
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brooke213
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I'm in graduate school and I need some help with a project. I need some information on the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test. Articles about reliability, validity, general set-up of the test would be great.
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 19, 2002 10:37:00 PM
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Andrew M. Ball PT PhD
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Brooke,
The search term, "Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test" (quotes included) generated 18 hits in the MEDLINE database in under 30 seconds. Is your difficulty in accessing MEDLINE on the web, typing in the search string, or sorting through the 18 articles to determine what's pertains to your question and what does not? Give how easy it was to access the information, I’d suggest that you made no attempt, and instead expected RehabEdge members to complete your assignment for you. That’s unacceptable.
The RehabEdge forum is for discussion of clinical topics and resolution of difficulties accessing and reviewing research. This apparent lack of effort, however, is not acceptable --- especially from a USC DPT student. Should it happen again from you or any other classmate, I will not hesitate to contact Dr. Gordon and Dr. Turman to discuss the inappropriate use of this site by USC students. I think I can speak for Dr. Hislop as well in saying that you all are better than that, and this display of professional laziness is disappointing.
It is not for RehabEdge members to complete, or even assist you in the manner you requested. Next time, be more prepared. Given the fact that I've berated you and you're likely feeling pretty down right about now, I'll make an exception this time, and this time only, so as to provide you with the information you requested. I hope, however, that you remember this experience for a LONG time and consider the degree of professionalism and effort expected of a doctor of physical therapy student that you failed to meet on this occasion. I hope, in short, that this experience is so tactfully humiliating to you, that you'll never, ever, let it happen again.
Given the fact that I'm spoon-feeding you your references, I'd appreciate an apology in the form of a full report/literature review of your assignment findings upon completion. That way RehabEdge members will benefit from the assistance you've requested of them. Otherwise, you may want to prepare Dr. Gordon for a call from me sometime in the next few weeks.
Andrew M. Ball, PT, Ph.D., MBA
References:
Cohen H. Testing vestibular function: problems with the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test. Am J Occup Ther. 1989 Jul;43(7):475-7.
Morrison D, et al. Reliability of the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test with learning-disabled children.
Am J Occup Ther. 1983 Oct;37(10):694-8.
Nelson DL, et al. The Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test and electronystagmography under different conditions of visual input. Am J Occup Ther. 1984 Aug;38(8):535-40.
Royeen CB. Factors affecting test-retest reliability of the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test. Am J Occup Ther. 1980 Jan;34(1):37-9.
Wiss T, et al. Validity of the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test: misconceptions lead to incorrect conclusions. Am J Occup Ther. 1990 Jul;44(7):658-60.
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 20, 2002 11:46:00 AM
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brooke213
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Wow-
You are an angry person!! I wouldn't even take the time to reply to this, but I figured that you needed to know about my suggested "laziness". First of all, I do not attend USC so you just go right ahead and contact Dr. Gordon and Dr. Turman and tell them how I expected YOU to do my project for me. I joined this stupid forum as part of a class assignement. And yes, I did search through the articles on MEDLINE and I did come up with the 18 articles that you so kindly suggested for me. However, the articles do not contain the info that I need to complete my project. So I was thinking that such smart people, such as yourself, might have some other ideas about getting the info.
As for you berating me...I'm not feeling down. In fact, I got a pretty good laugh out of the apparent lack of a life that you have given that you took the time to write all that crap at 2:30 in the morning. Give me a break!
Thanks for you help, psycho!
P.S. Tell Dr. Gordon that I said "hi" when you tell on me.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Andrew M. Ball PT PhD:
Brooke,
The search term, "Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test" (quotes included) generated 18 hits in the MEDLINE database in under 30 seconds. Is your difficulty in accessing MEDLINE on the web, typing in the search string, or sorting through the 18 articles to determine what's pertains to your question and what does not? Give how easy it was to access the information, I’d suggest that you made no attempt, and instead expected RehabEdge members to complete your assignment for you. That’s unacceptable.
The RehabEdge forum is for discussion of clinical topics and resolution of difficulties accessing and reviewing research. This apparent lack of effort, however, is not acceptable --- especially from a USC DPT student. Should it happen again from you or any other classmate, I will not hesitate to contact Dr. Gordon and Dr. Turman to discuss the inappropriate use of this site by USC students. I think I can speak for Dr. Hislop as well in saying that you all are better than that, and this display of professional laziness is disappointing.
It is not for RehabEdge members to complete, or even assist you in the manner you requested. Next time, be more prepared. Given the fact that I've berated you and you're likely feeling pretty down right about now, I'll make an exception this time, and this time only, so as to provide you with the information you requested. I hope, however, that you remember this experience for a LONG time and consider the degree of professionalism and effort expected of a doctor of physical therapy student that you failed to meet on this occasion. I hope, in short, that this experience is so tactfully humiliating to you, that you'll never, ever, let it happen again.
Given the fact that I'm spoon-feeding you your references, I'd appreciate an apology in the form of a full report/literature review of your assignment findings upon completion. That way RehabEdge members will benefit from the assistance you've requested of them. Otherwise, you may want to prepare Dr. Gordon for a call from me sometime in the next few weeks.
Andrew M. Ball, PT, Ph.D., MBA
References:
Cohen H. Testing vestibular function: problems with the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test. Am J Occup Ther. 1989 Jul;43(7):475-7.
Morrison D, et al. Reliability of the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test with learning-disabled children.
Am J Occup Ther. 1983 Oct;37(10):694-8.
Nelson DL, et al. The Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test and electronystagmography under different conditions of visual input. Am J Occup Ther. 1984 Aug;38(8):535-40.
Royeen CB. Factors affecting test-retest reliability of the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test. Am J Occup Ther. 1980 Jan;34(1):37-9.
Wiss T, et al. Validity of the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test: misconceptions lead to incorrect conclusions. Am J Occup Ther. 1990 Jul;44(7):658-60.[/QUOTE]
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 21, 2002 3:41:00 PM
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Andrew M. Ball PT PhD
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Forum,
I owe USC students an apology. Brooke here attends an MPT program in Missouri.
Drew
[This message has been edited by Andrew M. Ball PT PhD (edited September 21, 2002).]
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 23, 2002 10:57:00 AM
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brooke213
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Dr. Ball,
Your lack of professionalism is sickening. Do you really think that it is necessary to degrade another physical therapy school?? Do you think it's necessary to degrade someone because they are in a MPT program, and not a DPT or PhD program?? If you thought that my first post was not worth your time, you should have left it at that. Instead, you are spending your time tracking down where I attend school, so that you can degrade it. Don't you have anything better to do, being that you have a PhD? Shouldn't you be WORKING?? I don't even want to know why you took the time to find out where I go to school...you are psycho!! Don't worry Doctor, I won't waste my time with your forum ever again.
All my love,
Brooke, MPT in Missouri
[QUOTE]Originally posted by brooke213:
Wow-
You are an angry person!! I wouldn't even take the time to reply to this, but I figured that you needed to know about my suggested "laziness". First of all, I do not attend USC so you just go right ahead and contact Dr. Gordon and Dr. Turman and tell them how I expected YOU to do my project for me. I joined this stupid forum as part of a class assignement. And yes, I did search through the articles on MEDLINE and I did come up with the 18 articles that you so kindly suggested for me. However, the articles do not contain the info that I need to complete my project. So I was thinking that such smart people, such as yourself, might have some other ideas about getting the info.
As for you berating me...I'm not feeling down. In fact, I got a pretty good laugh out of the apparent lack of a life that you have given that you took the time to write all that crap at 2:30 in the morning. Give me a break!
Thanks for you help, psycho!
P.S. Tell Dr. Gordon that I said "hi" when you tell on me.
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 23, 2002 12:27:00 PM
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Andrew M. Ball MS MBA PT
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Brooke,
Traveling from city to city every few weekends leaves me plenty of time to teach courses via distance education, moderate this forum, conduct qualitative research, write articles, and participate in protecting physical therapists in North Carolina from the horrific Medicaid prior approval process --- all while working a full-time clinical load. I fail to see what relevance any of that has on our current discussion. I always have time to protect the profession from admitting lazy, plagiarizing, poor communicating, or disrespectful students into the professional ranks. Were you to enter physical therapy in your present state, you would be not an asset, but a liability to the profession, and before that happens, your program has a responsibility to reform or dismiss you. I have a responsibility to make your program aware of the situation at hand. That's not a waste of anyone's time.
Disclosing the general state location and level of your program had nothing to do with anything other than my apology to USC DPT students. They should not be credited with your inappropriate and unprofessional behavior. That was my mistake. There are 5 programs in your state, and no one has any idea which one I’m talking about. Had my intent been to expose you in public forum, I would have exposed your name and program. That, I agree, would have been inappropriate. In an effort to keep any discussion of this situation at your school general in nature, my initial e-mail forwarded to the director of your program exposed the situation, but not you as an individual. How they choose to handle the situation is not my decision to make, and so, if they request your personal information, I won't hesitate to disclose it to the director of your program. My personal approach would be to handle it in a more generalized manner, but again, that decision is not mine to make.
Working professionals have difficulty with the evidence-based process, and as such, I’m usually a little easier on them when working through these issues. There is no excuse for a student. DPT, MPT, or BSPT, it makes no difference. You should not have asked for working professionals to complete your assignment for you, and THAT is the issue at hand. If your intent was to invoke discussion regarding the 18 studies hit on MEDLINE as some yield conflicting information, and not all provide direct answers to your question (although at least 3 clearly do), your original posting did not reflect this intent. As such, the truth in your statement that you had retrieved these articles is in doubt, but even if you had, your wording of the question in public forum leads everyone to assume that you'd not. This type of poor communication is as much an issue as if you truly were in fact asking others to complete your assignment for you. Either way, you are in my opinion in need of remediation and it is my professional responsibility to disclose that to the director of your program.
Laziness or poor communication skills in public forum, you've demonstrated a clear need for remedial help before being placed in the field. You've further compounded that with your unprofessional response to being called on your mistake. Instead of simply apologizing (either for laziness or poor communication), and posting the fruits of your labor on the site for all to benefit from, your choice of continuing from a defensive and unprofessional posture provides a third area I'd suggest the director of your program address. Like a CI who notes a weakness in a student, I too have a responsibility to the profession to report behavior such as this to academic program in question, so that they may deal with it appropriately.
Finally, the level of disrespect to which you've approached me is appalling. Although I'm rather young and laid-back when it comes to being called "Doctor," or demanding reverence as some Ph.D.'s do, I have a Ph.D., not an entry-level or transitional DPT. That means that I hold a terminal academic degree, I'm on faculty at a DScPT program and adjunct at several other. I give of my free time to assist professionals in the field with their access and review of the literature base, as well as clinical art questions in the field of pediatrics. I'm deserving of far more respect than you've shown me to date, and I'm quite sure that talking to any of your professors in the same way you've communicated with me would result in probation, if not dismissal, from your academic program. It's disgusting that you find it appropriate in this forum simply because we've not met face to face.
Best of luck in the future. If you never learn from this situation, I fear that you'll have a short stay in the profession of physical therapy. Although you made a mistake in public forum --- that's all it is. Learn from it, account for it, and move on. Your passion, if nothing else, is clear and unmistakable. Don't let your ego get in the way of that. Everyone is wrong or inappropriate from time to time --- what matters most is how you respond to the situation. Gracious and apologetic, or defensive.
It's safe to say, that you took it upon yourself to make a mistake worse. Remaining angry at me won't resolve your professional areas of weakness, it only serves as an ego defense. In the future, I would be happy to assist you in accessing the literature base, reviewing articles, sorting through conflicting articles, etc. --- but your evidence-based commitment and work ethic must be addressed before that can happen.
Andrew M. Ball, PT, Ph.D., MBA
[This message has been edited by Andrew M. Ball MS MBA PT (edited September 24, 2002).]
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 26, 2002 2:26:00 PM
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brooke213
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Dr. Andrew Ball,
I would like to express my sincere apologies to you. My disrespectful comments and unprofessional behavior were unnecessary and unacceptable. My first post to the forum was evidently misunderstood and should have been clearer. I should not have assumed that the readers knew where I was in my search. I believe that I have learned an important life lesson from this situation. Due to the faculty of the institution at which I attend becoming aware of the situation, I have realized how many people this can and does affect. I hope that you will accept this apology and understand that I have learned from this.
Sincerely,
Brooke
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Andrew M. Ball MS MBA PT:
Brooke,
Traveling from city to city every few weekends leaves me plenty of time to teach courses via distance education, moderate this forum, conduct qualitative research, write articles, and participate in protecting physical therapists in North Carolina from the horrific Medicaid prior approval process --- all while working a full-time clinical load. I fail to see what relevance any of that has on our current discussion. I always have time to protect the profession from admitting lazy, plagiarizing, poor communicating, or disrespectful students into the professional ranks. Were you to enter physical therapy in your present state, you would be not an asset, but a liability to the profession, and before that happens, your program has a responsibility to reform or dismiss you. I have a responsibility to make your program aware of the situation at hand. That's not a waste of anyone's time.
Disclosing the general state location and level of your program had nothing to do with anything other than my apology to USC DPT students. They should not be credited with your inappropriate and unprofessional behavior. That was my mistake. There are 5 programs in your state, and no one has any idea which one I’m talking about. Had my intent been to expose you in public forum, I would have exposed your name and program. That, I agree, would have been inappropriate. In an effort to keep any discussion of this situation at your school general in nature, my initial e-mail forwarded to the director of your program exposed the situation, but not you as an individual. How they choose to handle the situation is not my decision to make, and so, if they request your personal information, I won't hesitate to disclose it to the director of your program. My personal approach would be to handle it in a more generalized manner, but again, that decision is not mine to make.
Working professionals have difficulty with the evidence-based process, and as such, I’m usually a little easier on them when working through these issues. There is no excuse for a student. DPT, MPT, or BSPT, it makes no difference. You should not have asked for working professionals to complete your assignment for you, and THAT is the issue at hand. If your intent was to invoke discussion regarding the 18 studies hit on MEDLINE as some yield conflicting information, and not all provide direct answers to your question (although at least 3 clearly do), your original posting did not reflect this intent. As such, the truth in your statement that you had retrieved these articles is in doubt, but even if you had, your wording of the question in public forum leads everyone to assume that you'd not. This type of poor communication is as much an issue as if you truly were in fact asking others to complete your assignment for you. Either way, you are in my opinion in need of remediation and it is my professional responsibility to disclose that to the director of your program.
Laziness or poor communication skills in public forum, you've demonstrated a clear need for remedial help before being placed in the field. You've further compounded that with your unprofessional response to being called on your mistake. Instead of simply apologizing (either for laziness or poor communication), and posting the fruits of your labor on the site for all to benefit from, your choice of continuing from a defensive and unprofessional posture provides a third area I'd suggest the director of your program address. Like a CI who notes a weakness in a student, I too have a responsibility to the profession to report behavior such as this to academic program in question, so that they may deal with it appropriately.
Finally, the level of disrespect to which you've approached me is appalling. Although I'm rather young and laid-back when it comes to being called "Doctor," or demanding reverence as some Ph.D.'s do, I have a Ph.D., not an entry-level or transitional DPT. That means that I hold a terminal academic degree, I'm on faculty at a DScPT program and adjunct at several other. I give of my free time to assist professionals in the field with their access and review of the literature base, as well as clinical art questions in the field of pediatrics. I'm deserving of far more respect than you've shown me to date, and I'm quite sure that talking to any of your professors in the same way you've communicated with me would result in probation, if not dismissal, from your academic program. It's disgusting that you find it appropriate in this forum simply because we've not met face to face.
Best of luck in the future. If you never learn from this situation, I fear that you'll have a short stay in the profession of physical therapy. Although you made a mistake in public forum --- that's all it is. Learn from it, account for it, and move on. Your passion, if nothing else, is clear and unmistakable. Don't let your ego get in the way of that. Everyone is wrong or inappropriate from time to time --- what matters most is how you respond to the situation. Gracious and apologetic, or defensive.
It's safe to say, that you took it upon yourself to make a mistake worse. Remaining angry at me won't resolve your professional areas of weakness, it only serves as an ego defense. In the future, I would be happy to assist you in accessing the literature base, reviewing articles, sorting through conflicting articles, etc. --- but your evidence-based commitment and work ethic must be addressed before that can happen.
Andrew M. Ball, PT, Ph.D., MBA
[This message has been edited by Andrew M. Ball MS MBA PT (edited September 24, 2002).][/QUOTE]
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 27, 2002 4:48:00 AM
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Andrew M. Ball PT PhD
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Apology accepted!
I'm pleased to see such a quick turn around. For what it's worth, it took me years to learn that very lesson, and I'm still, I admit, not yet wonderful in my communication skills and saying EXACTLY what I mean. Being a very young, very passionate, and very newly minted Ph.D. (just finished in July), I'm still working on keeping emotion out of my posts, questions, and interactions. Having spent significant time in survey and qualitative research over the past four years has made me ACUTELY aware of my own limitations in that regard..
Back to what I'm assuming was your original question though . . .
At least three of the articles pointed out to you had (I thought) the information you were looking for, although the conclusions were in conflict with one another. Are you yet in a point in your education where you've been taught how to assess the quality of studies? Have you yet heard of the Sackett levels?
Let us know if we can continue the discussion, remembering that other students and clinicians and both watching and learning from our discussion here.
Respectfully,
Dr. Andrew Ball
P.S. From now on, between you and I, it's fine to just call me Drew okay?
[This message has been edited by Andrew M. Ball PT PhD (edited September 27, 2002).]
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 19, 2002 10:37:00 PM
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Andrew M. Ball PT PhD
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Brooke,
The search term, "Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test" (quotes included) generated 18 hits in the MEDLINE database in under 30 seconds. Is your difficulty in accessing MEDLINE on the web, typing in the search string, or sorting through the 18 articles to determine what's pertains to your question and what does not? Give how easy it was to access the information, I’d suggest that you made no attempt, and instead expected RehabEdge members to complete your assignment for you. That’s unacceptable.
The RehabEdge forum is for discussion of clinical topics and resolution of difficulties accessing and reviewing research. This apparent lack of effort, however, is not acceptable --- especially from a USC DPT student. Should it happen again from you or any other classmate, I will not hesitate to contact Dr. Gordon and Dr. Turman to discuss the inappropriate use of this site by USC students. I think I can speak for Dr. Hislop as well in saying that you all are better than that, and this display of professional laziness is disappointing.
It is not for RehabEdge members to complete, or even assist you in the manner you requested. Next time, be more prepared. Given the fact that I've berated you and you're likely feeling pretty down right about now, I'll make an exception this time, and this time only, so as to provide you with the information you requested. I hope, however, that you remember this experience for a LONG time and consider the degree of professionalism and effort expected of a doctor of physical therapy student that you failed to meet on this occasion. I hope, in short, that this experience is so tactfully humiliating to you, that you'll never, ever, let it happen again.
Given the fact that I'm spoon-feeding you your references, I'd appreciate an apology in the form of a full report/literature review of your assignment findings upon completion. That way RehabEdge members will benefit from the assistance you've requested of them. Otherwise, you may want to prepare Dr. Gordon for a call from me sometime in the next few weeks.
Andrew M. Ball, PT, Ph.D., MBA
References:
Cohen H. Testing vestibular function: problems with the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test. Am J Occup Ther. 1989 Jul;43(7):475-7.
Morrison D, et al. Reliability of the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test with learning-disabled children.
Am J Occup Ther. 1983 Oct;37(10):694-8.
Nelson DL, et al. The Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test and electronystagmography under different conditions of visual input. Am J Occup Ther. 1984 Aug;38(8):535-40.
Royeen CB. Factors affecting test-retest reliability of the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test. Am J Occup Ther. 1980 Jan;34(1):37-9.
Wiss T, et al. Validity of the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test: misconceptions lead to incorrect conclusions. Am J Occup Ther. 1990 Jul;44(7):658-60.
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 20, 2002 11:46:00 AM
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brooke213
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Wow-
You are an angry person!! I wouldn't even take the time to reply to this, but I figured that you needed to know about my suggested "laziness". First of all, I do not attend USC so you just go right ahead and contact Dr. Gordon and Dr. Turman and tell them how I expected YOU to do my project for me. I joined this stupid forum as part of a class assignement. And yes, I did search through the articles on MEDLINE and I did come up with the 18 articles that you so kindly suggested for me. However, the articles do not contain the info that I need to complete my project. So I was thinking that such smart people, such as yourself, might have some other ideas about getting the info.
As for you berating me...I'm not feeling down. In fact, I got a pretty good laugh out of the apparent lack of a life that you have given that you took the time to write all that crap at 2:30 in the morning. Give me a break!
Thanks for you help, psycho!
P.S. Tell Dr. Gordon that I said "hi" when you tell on me.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Andrew M. Ball PT PhD:
Brooke,
The search term, "Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test" (quotes included) generated 18 hits in the MEDLINE database in under 30 seconds. Is your difficulty in accessing MEDLINE on the web, typing in the search string, or sorting through the 18 articles to determine what's pertains to your question and what does not? Give how easy it was to access the information, I’d suggest that you made no attempt, and instead expected RehabEdge members to complete your assignment for you. That’s unacceptable.
The RehabEdge forum is for discussion of clinical topics and resolution of difficulties accessing and reviewing research. This apparent lack of effort, however, is not acceptable --- especially from a USC DPT student. Should it happen again from you or any other classmate, I will not hesitate to contact Dr. Gordon and Dr. Turman to discuss the inappropriate use of this site by USC students. I think I can speak for Dr. Hislop as well in saying that you all are better than that, and this display of professional laziness is disappointing.
It is not for RehabEdge members to complete, or even assist you in the manner you requested. Next time, be more prepared. Given the fact that I've berated you and you're likely feeling pretty down right about now, I'll make an exception this time, and this time only, so as to provide you with the information you requested. I hope, however, that you remember this experience for a LONG time and consider the degree of professionalism and effort expected of a doctor of physical therapy student that you failed to meet on this occasion. I hope, in short, that this experience is so tactfully humiliating to you, that you'll never, ever, let it happen again.
Given the fact that I'm spoon-feeding you your references, I'd appreciate an apology in the form of a full report/literature review of your assignment findings upon completion. That way RehabEdge members will benefit from the assistance you've requested of them. Otherwise, you may want to prepare Dr. Gordon for a call from me sometime in the next few weeks.
Andrew M. Ball, PT, Ph.D., MBA
References:
Cohen H. Testing vestibular function: problems with the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test. Am J Occup Ther. 1989 Jul;43(7):475-7.
Morrison D, et al. Reliability of the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test with learning-disabled children.
Am J Occup Ther. 1983 Oct;37(10):694-8.
Nelson DL, et al. The Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test and electronystagmography under different conditions of visual input. Am J Occup Ther. 1984 Aug;38(8):535-40.
Royeen CB. Factors affecting test-retest reliability of the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test. Am J Occup Ther. 1980 Jan;34(1):37-9.
Wiss T, et al. Validity of the Southern California Postrotary Nystagmus Test: misconceptions lead to incorrect conclusions. Am J Occup Ther. 1990 Jul;44(7):658-60.[/QUOTE]
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 21, 2002 3:41:00 PM
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Andrew M. Ball PT PhD
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Forum,
I owe USC students an apology. Brooke here attends an MPT program in Missouri.
Drew
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 23, 2002 10:57:00 AM
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brooke213
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Dr. Ball,
Your lack of professionalism is sickening. Do you really think that it is necessary to degrade another physical therapy school?? Do you think it's necessary to degrade someone because they are in a MPT program, and not a DPT or PhD program?? If you thought that my first post was not worth your time, you should have left it at that. Instead, you are spending your time tracking down where I attend school, so that you can degrade it. Don't you have anything better to do, being that you have a PhD? Shouldn't you be WORKING?? I don't even want to know why you took the time to find out where I go to school...you are psycho!! Don't worry Doctor, I won't waste my time with your forum ever again.
All my love,
Brooke, MPT in Missouri
[QUOTE]Originally posted by brooke213:
Wow-
You are an angry person!! I wouldn't even take the time to reply to this, but I figured that you needed to know about my suggested "laziness". First of all, I do not attend USC so you just go right ahead and contact Dr. Gordon and Dr. Turman and tell them how I expected YOU to do my project for me. I joined this stupid forum as part of a class assignement. And yes, I did search through the articles on MEDLINE and I did come up with the 18 articles that you so kindly suggested for me. However, the articles do not contain the info that I need to complete my project. So I was thinking that such smart people, such as yourself, might have some other ideas about getting the info.
As for you berating me...I'm not feeling down. In fact, I got a pretty good laugh out of the apparent lack of a life that you have given that you took the time to write all that crap at 2:30 in the morning. Give me a break!
Thanks for you help, psycho!
P.S. Tell Dr. Gordon that I said "hi" when you tell on me.
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 23, 2002 12:27:00 PM
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Andrew M. Ball MS MBA PT
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Brooke,
Traveling from city to city every few weekends leaves me plenty of time to teach courses via distance education, moderate this forum, conduct qualitative research, write articles, and participate in protecting physical therapists in North Carolina from the horrific Medicaid prior approval process --- all while working a full-time clinical load. I fail to see what relevance any of that has on our current discussion. I always have time to protect the profession from admitting lazy, plagiarizing, poor communicating, or disrespectful students into the professional ranks. Were you to enter physical therapy in your present state, you would be not an asset, but a liability to the profession, and before that happens, your program has a responsibility to reform or dismiss you. I have a responsibility to make your program aware of the situation at hand. That's not a waste of anyone's time.
Disclosing the general state location and level of your program had nothing to do with anything other than my apology to USC DPT students. They should not be credited with your inappropriate and unprofessional behavior. That was my mistake. There are 5 programs in your state, and no one has any idea which one I’m talking about. Had my intent been to expose you in public forum, I would have exposed your name and program. That, I agree, would have been inappropriate. In an effort to keep any discussion of this situation at your school general in nature, my initial e-mail forwarded to the director of your program exposed the situation, but not you as an individual. How they choose to handle the situation is not my decision to make, and so, if they request your personal information, I won't hesitate to disclose it to the director of your program. My personal approach would be to handle it in a more generalized manner, but again, that decision is not mine to make.
Working professionals have difficulty with the evidence-based process, and as such, I’m usually a little easier on them when working through these issues. There is no excuse for a student. DPT, MPT, or BSPT, it makes no difference. You should not have asked for working professionals to complete your assignment for you, and THAT is the issue at hand. If your intent was to invoke discussion regarding the 18 studies hit on MEDLINE as some yield conflicting information, and not all provide direct answers to your question (although at least 3 clearly do), your original posting did not reflect this intent. As such, the truth in your statement that you had retrieved these articles is in doubt, but even if you had, your wording of the question in public forum leads everyone to assume that you'd not. This type of poor communication is as much an issue as if you truly were in fact asking others to complete your assignment for you. Either way, you are in my opinion in need of remediation and it is my professional responsibility to disclose that to the director of your program.
Laziness or poor communication skills in public forum, you've demonstrated a clear need for remedial help before being placed in the field. You've further compounded that with your unprofessional response to being called on your mistake. Instead of simply apologizing (either for laziness or poor communication), and posting the fruits of your labor on the site for all to benefit from, your choice of continuing from a defensive and unprofessional posture provides a third area I'd suggest the director of your program address. Like a CI who notes a weakness in a student, I too have a responsibility to the profession to report behavior such as this to academic program in question, so that they may deal with it appropriately.
Finally, the level of disrespect to which you've approached me is appalling. Although I'm rather young and laid-back when it comes to being called "Doctor," or demanding reverence as some Ph.D.'s do, I have a Ph.D., not an entry-level or transitional DPT. That means that I hold a terminal academic degree, I'm on faculty at a DScPT program and adjunct at several other. I give of my free time to assist professionals in the field with their access and review of the literature base, as well as clinical art questions in the field of pediatrics. I'm deserving of far more respect than you've shown me to date, and I'm quite sure that talking to any of your professors in the same way you've communicated with me would result in probation, if not dismissal, from your academic program. It's disgusting that you find it appropriate in this forum simply because we've not met face to face.
Best of luck in the future. If you never learn from this situation, I fear that you'll have a short stay in the profession of physical therapy. Although you made a mistake in public forum --- that's all it is. Learn from it, account for it, and move on. Your passion, if nothing else, is clear and unmistakable. Don't let your ego get in the way of that. Everyone is wrong or inappropriate from time to time --- what matters most is how you respond to the situation. Gracious and apologetic, or defensive.
It's safe to say, that you took it upon yourself to make a mistake worse. Remaining angry at me won't resolve your professional areas of weakness, it only serves as an ego defense. In the future, I would be happy to assist you in accessing the literature base, reviewing articles, sorting through conflicting articles, etc. --- but your evidence-based commitment and work ethic must be addressed before that can happen.
Andrew M. Ball, PT, Ph.D., MBA
[This message has been edited by Andrew M. Ball MS MBA PT (edited September 24, 2002).]
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 26, 2002 2:26:00 PM
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brooke213
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Dr. Andrew Ball,
I would like to express my sincere apologies to you. My disrespectful comments and unprofessional behavior were unnecessary and unacceptable. My first post to the forum was evidently misunderstood and should have been clearer. I should not have assumed that the readers knew where I was in my search. I believe that I have learned an important life lesson from this situation. Due to the faculty of the institution at which I attend becoming aware of the situation, I have realized how many people this can and does affect. I hope that you will accept this apology and understand that I have learned from this.
Sincerely,
Brooke
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Andrew M. Ball MS MBA PT:
Brooke,
Traveling from city to city every few weekends leaves me plenty of time to teach courses via distance education, moderate this forum, conduct qualitative research, write articles, and participate in protecting physical therapists in North Carolina from the horrific Medicaid prior approval process --- all while working a full-time clinical load. I fail to see what relevance any of that has on our current discussion. I always have time to protect the profession from admitting lazy, plagiarizing, poor communicating, or disrespectful students into the professional ranks. Were you to enter physical therapy in your present state, you would be not an asset, but a liability to the profession, and before that happens, your program has a responsibility to reform or dismiss you. I have a responsibility to make your program aware of the situation at hand. That's not a waste of anyone's time.
Disclosing the general state location and level of your program had nothing to do with anything other than my apology to USC DPT students. They should not be credited with your inappropriate and unprofessional behavior. That was my mistake. There are 5 programs in your state, and no one has any idea which one I’m talking about. Had my intent been to expose you in public forum, I would have exposed your name and program. That, I agree, would have been inappropriate. In an effort to keep any discussion of this situation at your school general in nature, my initial e-mail forwarded to the director of your program exposed the situation, but not you as an individual. How they choose to handle the situation is not my decision to make, and so, if they request your personal information, I won't hesitate to disclose it to the director of your program. My personal approach would be to handle it in a more generalized manner, but again, that decision is not mine to make.
Working professionals have difficulty with the evidence-based process, and as such, I’m usually a little easier on them when working through these issues. There is no excuse for a student. DPT, MPT, or BSPT, it makes no difference. You should not have asked for working professionals to complete your assignment for you, and THAT is the issue at hand. If your intent was to invoke discussion regarding the 18 studies hit on MEDLINE as some yield conflicting information, and not all provide direct answers to your question (although at least 3 clearly do), your original posting did not reflect this intent. As such, the truth in your statement that you had retrieved these articles is in doubt, but even if you had, your wording of the question in public forum leads everyone to assume that you'd not. This type of poor communication is as much an issue as if you truly were in fact asking others to complete your assignment for you. Either way, you are in my opinion in need of remediation and it is my professional responsibility to disclose that to the director of your program.
Laziness or poor communication skills in public forum, you've demonstrated a clear need for remedial help before being placed in the field. You've further compounded that with your unprofessional response to being called on your mistake. Instead of simply apologizing (either for laziness or poor communication), and posting the fruits of your labor on the site for all to benefit from, your choice of continuing from a defensive and unprofessional posture provides a third area I'd suggest the director of your program address. Like a CI who notes a weakness in a student, I too have a responsibility to the profession to report behavior such as this to academic program in question, so that they may deal with it appropriately.
Finally, the level of disrespect to which you've approached me is appalling. Although I'm rather young and laid-back when it comes to being called "Doctor," or demanding reverence as some Ph.D.'s do, I have a Ph.D., not an entry-level or transitional DPT. That means that I hold a terminal academic degree, I'm on faculty at a DScPT program and adjunct at several other. I give of my free time to assist professionals in the field with their access and review of the literature base, as well as clinical art questions in the field of pediatrics. I'm deserving of far more respect than you've shown me to date, and I'm quite sure that talking to any of your professors in the same way you've communicated with me would result in probation, if not dismissal, from your academic program. It's disgusting that you find it appropriate in this forum simply because we've not met face to face.
Best of luck in the future. If you never learn from this situation, I fear that you'll have a short stay in the profession of physical therapy. Although you made a mistake in public forum --- that's all it is. Learn from it, account for it, and move on. Your passion, if nothing else, is clear and unmistakable. Don't let your ego get in the way of that. Everyone is wrong or inappropriate from time to time --- what matters most is how you respond to the situation. Gracious and apologetic, or defensive.
It's safe to say, that you took it upon yourself to make a mistake worse. Remaining angry at me won't resolve your professional areas of weakness, it only serves as an ego defense. In the future, I would be happy to assist you in accessing the literature base, reviewing articles, sorting through conflicting articles, etc. --- but your evidence-based commitment and work ethic must be addressed before that can happen.
Andrew M. Ball, PT, Ph.D., MBA
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Re: I need help with SCPNT - September 27, 2002 4:48:00 AM
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Andrew M. Ball PT PhD
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Apology accepted!
I'm pleased to see such a quick turn around. For what it's worth, it took me years to learn that very lesson, and I'm still, I admit, not yet wonderful in my communication skills and saying EXACTLY what I mean. Being a very young, very passionate, and very newly minted Ph.D. (just finished in July), I'm still working on keeping emotion out of my posts, questions, and interactions. Having spent significant time in survey and qualitative research over the past four years has made me ACUTELY aware of my own limitations in that regard..
Back to what I'm assuming was your original question though . . .
At least three of the articles pointed out to you had (I thought) the information you were looking for, although the conclusions were in conflict with one another. Are you yet in a point in your education where you've been taught how to assess the quality of studies? Have you yet heard of the Sackett levels?
Let us know if we can continue the discussion, remembering that other students and clinicians and both watching and learning from our discussion here.
Respectfully,
Dr. Andrew Ball
P.S. From now on, between you and I, it's fine to just call me Drew okay?
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