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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 13, 2005 5:08:00 PM
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SJBird55
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Does that suck, or what?
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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 13, 2005 5:20:00 PM
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jma
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Its a dissapointment. Wonder if the APTA heard about this.
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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 13, 2005 6:20:00 PM
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Diane
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Ditto SJ.
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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 13, 2005 11:58:00 PM
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Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS
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Total crap.
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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 14, 2005 2:04:00 AM
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SJBird55
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What I don't understand in that whole case is that the PT board did determine that he was practicing physical therapy and that what he was doing was within the scope of his practice. Since that was the case... well, how come there technically wasn't a battle between the chiropractic board and the PT board? Meaning - he as an individual should not have been involved in the battle between the boards. In my opinion, I have a hard enough time worrying about myself and making sure I'm practicing within what is written for me to follow, am I also supposed to know exactly what the chiropractic act states (or if the athletic trainers have something, or if the massage therapists have something, or if the personal trainers have something)? I don't think logic was followed in this court case.
And... there is research out there that indicates that a "pop" doesn't mean a darn thing - results of the technique can be achieved with or without a pop. That logically indicates that the technique really isn't "mobilizing the bones." So, if it isn't mobilizing the bones, then technically it isn't manipulating the bones. With this particular scenario, Barrett's screaming for mechanism would have helped Teston out - no one knows how the technique works, so poor Teston is being judged based on an assumption that the bones are being mobilized, when that may not even be the truth.
And then the final screwy thing... that second "patient." Was that second "patient" really a "patient?" Did that person actually really and truly have something wrong OR was that person a pseudo patient coming in to set the therapist up? If that "patient" had an agenda... that right there should be punishable. Because if that issue isn't addressed or wasn't addressed, I believe it sets the tone that anyone can "spy" if you want to call it that and come up with some case and put it through and make some money. That is NOT the role of our court system.
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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 14, 2005 2:44:00 AM
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Diane
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[QUOTE]no one knows how the technique works, so poor Teston is being judged based on an assumption that the bones are being mobilized, when that may not even be the truth[/QUOTE]Exactly. They used a chiro definition of manipulation= chiropractic= pop= 'boop' put back, which is automatically suspect since it stems from chiro belief system, not basic science, a bad meme/perceptual fantasy that continues to be replicated/perpetuated by chiros, even by PTs who do manipulation/ mobilization. Did the 'boop' theory not get discarded as pseudoscience quite some time ago?
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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 14, 2005 2:48:00 AM
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JLS_PT_OCS
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This is disgusting.
Now what? More lawsuit wars? This is a defeat for both professions, and for consumers.
What now, PTs bringing lawsuits to keep chiros from using ultrasound, estim, and exercise???
It's sad when any group tries to maintain their existence through lawsuits and lobbying instead of research and excellence.
A true sign of a failing industry is the reliance on subsidies to ensure existence. No such industry can ever last.
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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 14, 2005 4:36:00 AM
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Ref_in_Rehab
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Oh boy, what a mess. I'm in the middle of re-reading "Atlas Shrugged". If any of you have read it, you know Jason's last comment could have come straight from that book!
What is the definition of "expert witness"? A PT/DC gets up on the stand and says a "pop is chiropractic" which overrides the testimony of 4 other PT's who say "it's part of PT".
I just don't get it. I'm thankful I live in a state with a good practice act and for darn sure I'm going to stay active in the profession to protect it!
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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 14, 2005 4:40:00 AM
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I hope this will serve as a wake up call to PTs. Please call your chapters, get involved with your legislative cmtes. Who is on your licensing boards? Read your practice act - it's important!
Yes the APTA & Ortho Section were well aware of this situation and gave support. It is the individual PT in all states that need to become more aware, and more involved (like joining the APTA)so we can have a stronger political voice.
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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 14, 2005 5:07:00 AM
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Diane
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The Arkansas chiro board does the right thing sometimes, it seems..found this on Chirotalk:
[URL=http://www.kthv.com/search/results.aspx?storyid=15407]chiro suspension[/URL]
PTs, don't ever go here. Practice impeccably.
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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 15, 2005 5:46:00 PM
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jma
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That kind of abuse is not tolerated in any profession. The fact that this person is still working while an investigation is going on is shocking
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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 17, 2005 10:56:00 AM
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jma
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I am quite appalled that the Arkansas PT board has not made any comments about the case on their website.
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Re: Decision in Arkansas Case reached - April 18, 2005 6:20:00 AM
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ehanso
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All of us need to be aware of and review the scope and limitations of practice in the state where we choose work. I am sure there have been times in all of our careers when we know what needs to be done and how to perform the test/procedure but either hesitate or don't do it because of the limits of the law. This to me is another example of the reactive vs. proactive state of our profession and the general complacency of PT's.
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