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Character Defamation - June 23, 2005 12:38:00 AM
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Andrew M. Ball PT PhD
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It has come to my attention that a character defaming thread was recently posted here by a ChiroWeb chiropractor. The charges were taken largely out of context and I'd like an opportunity to respond here, both for my own response --- and also to show (D)PT colleagues what we're up against as we develop into a clinical doctoring profession:
Chiroweb Chiros,
If you're offering an olive-branch here, that's one thing --- but it seems that, true to chiropractic aculturation, that you'd like to have everyone agree with you, and it never pointed out to you when you're wrong. You'd like to see PT's as technical paraprofessionals to DC's, you'd like to see DC's as equal to MD's, you'd like to see DC's as equal to (D)PT's with respect to rehab and movement pathology . . . those a great goals (just as the vision 2020 for all PT's to be DPT's and portal-of-entry providers), but at present, they are just that --- GOALS AND VISIONS NOT BASED IN CURRENT REALITY.
That's all I am here guys. Not anti-chiropractic, not unprofessional, simply a reality check when a few of the chuckleheads in your ranks overstep your egos. I was invited here for that purpose, but it seems that ChiroWeb has devolved into an extension of chiropractic cultism, and some of you would rather live in la la land.
What you define as "good behavior" seems to be the willingness to bow to a DC as a superior within the healthcare system, and accept when a chiropractor lies about his or her abilities with respect to another profession, be it medicine, physical therapy, or nutrition. Why SHOULDN'T you be challenged on the bases of the lies and half-truths you're trying to pass of as fact? You don't hear PT's going off saying that because they do manual manipulation that they are chiropractors --- but it's okay for chiropractors who fumble through rehab to say they provide physical therapy?
If some of you can agree to stop posting incorrect information, or at the very least drop the arrogance of self-perceived superiority, then indeed we can move on. The question therefore, isn't if PT's are mature and ready enough for us to move on with this conversation . . . but can you DC's?
I'd remind you both of a thread I posted not too long ago about DC's and PT's trying to work together that devolved, and not by me, into a shouting match. A genuine effort derailed --- and not by any PT. Chiroweb DC's have demonstrated, time and time again, that DC's are NOT capable of the kind of professional discussion you describe. Come on guys, work with me here or admit to what you're REALLY after --- unchallenged unconditional subserviance to chiropractic.
Drew
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Re: Character Defamation - June 23, 2005 1:17:00 AM
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SJBird55
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I don't know Drew, but the post that was deleted did seem consistent with the choices you make in your communication style. In my opinion, and that's just me - it would have been better to have kept the post here at the edge... locked it... and then maybe allowed you to respond.
You have a love and a passion and a lot of energy for what you do - and there is nothing wrong with debating and doing what you do.... but, it would probably be in your best interest to choose your responses with a bit more tact. Take the higher ground - you can say what you are thinking/feeling without being arrogant or rude.
If you want to be a true leader, I can tell you right now that you have a great brain, but you are terrible at communication. I would never want you to represent my profession because of your lack of ability to communicate well. Written communication is just as important as verbal - and although I only see your written communication, I generally don't appreciate what I see.
And, granted, this thread and the one deleted really does seem to parallel a rule many of us parents have... "quit tattletaling." But, I can see where that chiropractor was upset and irritated by your choice of communication AND I can see where you have a need to defend yourself. But, it is childish and could have all been prevented with a bit of thoughtful thinking.
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Re: Character Defamation - June 23, 2005 1:48:00 AM
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JLS_PT_OCS
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Weil, I no longer post on Chiroweb for just the issues Drew describes.
I find RehabEdge self-selects for quality practitioners for the most part (both DC and PT) and that this is where I learn and can contribute the most.
J
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"It isn't what you're able to do that requires your courage but rather what you have come to understand and are willing to express." - Barrett Dorko,PT
**I no longer post on RehabEdge**
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Re: Character Defamation - June 23, 2005 3:13:00 AM
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JLS_PT_OCS
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I also think that in any exchange, there rarely is a one-sided blame to how things shake out, and both parties share the responsibility.
I haven't read the thread and can't comment on Drew's situation specifically, however.
But I definitely don't waste my time on Chiroweb anymore...
J
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"It isn't what you're able to do that requires your courage but rather what you have come to understand and are willing to express." - Barrett Dorko,PT
**I no longer post on RehabEdge**
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Re: Character Defamation - June 23, 2005 3:21:00 AM
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Diane
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I've gone and lurked there a bit... no one is missing much. It's a lot like WWF, (which I always channel surf straight through) full of huff & puff and little substance, a lot of bravado and loud challenge and clashing.. I swear I can see virtual jugular veins sticking out of virtual necks. I doubt you'll change anything over there Drew.. unless you like to work out that way.
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Re: Character Defamation - June 23, 2005 3:27:00 AM
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Yogi
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Agree with Jason about Rehabedge. I had just composed a (in my opinion) great reply to the thread Drew mentioned, that I figured would kill (end) it, and when I hit add reply it no longer existed.
Anyway, the gist of that one was, I wouldn't change the way any of us are, we all have some idiosyncrasies that make it interesting here, and we seem to care enough to, as SJ has done, to provide feedback to each other, to assure that Rehabedge does not deteriorate into anything (acrominious arguing, personal attacks, negative stuff, etc.) we all wouldn't like it to be, but still opionated, and argumentative enough to keep it interesting, Wagner and Barrett spring to mind there. Sometimes I get a good laugh when someone doesn't mince words and spares the tact.
I really have never seen the line crossed.
I think the thread should not have been deleted, though, I didn't know Rehabedge was censored. Nicole, we're all adults, we can handle it, I think.
To end, I also think all the moderators deserve thanks and a wall plaque for the work they do here.
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Re: Character Defamation - June 23, 2005 3:35:00 AM
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USAPT
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This forum is invaluable from a learning perspective and for communication. We (PTs) need not to ruin the reputation of this forum and have childish 'tattletaling'. I make every student I have sign up on here even if they never post, just for the learning aspect. Remember, there are probably hundreds who read but never post..lets just keep it professional. Should problems arise, deal with it individually and off this forum.
Okay, I'm rambling now..I have to get back to work!! :)
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Re: Character Defamation - June 23, 2005 11:25:00 AM
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FLAOrthoPT
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I went to a course recently, and when we were talking about this BB I was like, yeah I am FLAOrthoPT, I was surprised how many people knew me by my posts, I think there are a lot more readers than you'd realize, ok, need to go hope that osmosis works at the gym-
Ben
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Re: Character Defamation - June 23, 2005 12:31:00 PM
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KAK
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My husband I were talking about forums today. He told me how he signed up on a golf forum hoping to have interesting and intelligent conversation about “golf stuff” (my words). He was greatly disappointed in the vulgarity and lack of substance. It made me greatly appreciate this forum. I told him about this particular post and how I was glad it was deleted. My first thought after reading it was “Are we in kindergarten?” I thought the chiro’s post needed to be a private message to Drew. None of my business…
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Re: Character Defamation - June 24, 2005 10:05:00 AM
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David Adamczyk
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In February 2004, we had a Chiro vs. Chiro vs. PT (that's not a typo) battle that raged on in several threads for weeks until we pulled the plug on it. It was a Jerry Springer free for all.
Since that time, the RehabEdge Forum discussions have never been better. We are very sensitive to the "ChiroWeb invasion" and will promptly delete similar threads.
Just to set the record straight, I deleted the thread.
Thank you to all of the great members who are responsible for the quality content in this Forum.
Dave
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