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Re: Basketball Game - December 9, 2005 4:13:00 AM
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marshal4
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Any one see the movie Major Payne??
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Re: Basketball Game - December 9, 2005 5:43:00 AM
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SJBird55
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Ouch... I just want to pull his finger. Wasn't it you that attempted to relocate a fibula?... I wouldn't hesitate in a hearbeat to attempt to relocate the pinky for this guy. LOL Wouldn't a little distraction with a little dorsal force solve the problem?
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Re: Basketball Game - December 9, 2005 6:25:00 AM
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truthseeker
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If you are going to reduce it, you should always distract, then magnify the deformity, then reduce. i.e. distract, palmar glide, then extend to reduce. they need to be splinted afterward.
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Re: Basketball Game - December 9, 2005 9:49:00 AM
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JLS_PT_OCS
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Agree with Tom.
Followup exam in a week or so to check for central slip injury/boutoniere (sp?) deformity.
When you see this, you know the volar plate is almost certainly torn, and I'm not sure if the hand surgeons want to see those sooner or later. With torn volar plate, it will tend to redislocate upon attempts to extend thereafter.
I think the splint needs to be 24/7 for 6 weeks, but can't remember off the top of my head...
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Re: Basketball Game - December 9, 2005 1:10:00 PM
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jma
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Wow! Palmerly dislocated 5th PIP joint. Has it been relocated?
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Re: Basketball Game - December 10, 2005 6:01:00 AM
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[QUOTE]Any one see the movie Major Payne??[/QUOTE]great reference mike.
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Re: Basketball Game - December 11, 2005 4:29:00 AM
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Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS
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I saw the movie years ago but I forgot what happened. I assume someone dislocated their finger playing basketball?
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Re: Basketball Game - December 11, 2005 12:31:00 PM
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Dr.Wagner
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These are always nice and easy to relocate (for those that are right handed, hold their hand with your left hand, distract at the base with your right hand and presto-chango). If it is an isolated dislocation, I don't get an xray initially, I try to save time and money. Post reduction gets a film.
Splint in a simple aluminum splint on that digit until evaluated by the surgeon.
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Re: Basketball Game - December 11, 2005 12:33:00 PM
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yommanda
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Alex thanks for artical about ACL... very interesting one. Apropos basketball i played for 6 years profesional and I dislocated finger two times: :) ))
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Re: Basketball Game - December 12, 2005 5:34:00 AM
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JLS_PT_OCS
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Wags-
How can we tell it's an "isolated dislocation" without fracture unless we get the films? I've seen people relocate these on the field, so I'm guessing the incidence of fracture must be extremely low?
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Re: Basketball Game - December 12, 2005 6:12:00 AM
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Dr.Wagner
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Fracture or no fracture, it still gets relocated...by "isolated" I meant "isolated trauma" (ie not a victim of multi trauma injury/systemic trauma). So if a guy falls down at a game, and the result is a finger like this, isolated injury, simply relocate. If the relocation is difficult, a film is necessary.
Post-relocation films are necessary for medico-legal reasons.
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Re: Basketball Game - December 12, 2005 7:08:00 AM
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JLS_PT_OCS
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The post films I knew, but had a question about the pre-relocation films. Thanks Wags.
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Re: Basketball Game - December 12, 2005 7:33:00 AM
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Fracture or no fracture the finger gets relocated, the fracture can be identified on post reduction films. This saves pain, time, and money for simple dislocations (90% of the time you look at the finger and say "yep its dislocated" then look at the film and say "yep its dislocated" all the while 60 minutes has gone bye and the patient really really hurts). An experienced clinician can usually tell if there is a clean dislocation of a digit. Regardless, the disposition is the same...relocate,splint, referral.
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Re: Basketball Game - December 15, 2005 1:56:00 PM
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JLS_PT_OCS
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How soon should it see a surgeon?
72hrs? A week?
I can't recall the time factor with volar plate injuries....
Thanks again, Wags.
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Re: Basketball Game - December 16, 2005 4:09:00 AM
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Dr.Wagner
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I tell the patient to call the next day.
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Re: Basketball Game - December 19, 2005 9:47:00 PM
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Is it dislocation?
Can it relocate it immediately?
Hi all long time no see, come back again?
Thanks teaching. :)
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Re: Basketball Game - December 21, 2005 6:31:00 AM
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Dr.Wagner
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Yes that is a dislocation, easy to relocate and exceedingly common.
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Re: Basketball Game - January 7, 2006 3:07:00 AM
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Alex Brenner PT MPT OCS
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Follow up on this gentleman:
Everyone was correct above. There is no fracture and indeed a dislocation of the PIP. After splinting for 6 weeks the patient came out of the splint and immediately redislocated and it appears to be unstable. He was sent to our ortho surgeon and will undergo surgical repair.
Good job Lin, welcome back.
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Re: Basketball Game - January 7, 2006 5:28:00 AM
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jma
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Lets start off the new year with even more!
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