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Athletic Shoes - October 11, 2005 6:21:00 AM
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treybien
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Any recommendation for 1) a good shoe for pronaters 2) a good shoe for supinators 3) a quality web or other resource that outlines the pros and cons of various brands and models of shoes? At my previous job I had a store that I trusted. Now I am not sure who to trust so I better get some info myself this time. Thanks in advance for any help or direct me to where it was previously discussed.
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Re: Athletic Shoes - October 11, 2005 7:20:00 AM
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For what it's worth, I have found Runner's World magazine and site to offer good information. Of course, it's just a personal recommendation, and I do still recommend to people they go to a "Running Shoe Store" and not just an athletic shoe store, where someone can look at their shoes, ask them about injury history, watch them run, etc.
I tell people they wouldn't buy a car without a test drive, so don't buy shoes without running in them first.
The people who work at that sort of store are much more knowledgeable about current products and technologies than I am.
I routinely do running shoe screenings for interested people, and I can give them a general idea of the shoe type they need, but ultimately they need to find a good store and run in some different shoes to see for themselves.
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Re: Athletic Shoes - October 11, 2005 7:36:00 AM
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apolipo
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My impression is that roadrunnersports.com offers good prices and lots of info regarding which type of foot/person each shoe is for. They also have forum to ask/answer questions.
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Re: Athletic Shoes - October 11, 2005 9:13:00 AM
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jma
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On a personal note, wearing Merrell brand sneakers has been the best thing for my feet. Best support I have felt on my heels in many years.
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Re: Athletic Shoes - October 11, 2005 10:40:00 AM
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jma
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After attending a biomechanics course by Christopher Powers, I wonder if many places see the problem from the bottom going up, instead of the problem going from the top down.
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Re: Athletic Shoes - October 11, 2005 1:40:00 PM
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truthseeker
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different people with the same problems prefer different brands of shoes. It probably has to do with the shape of the "archtypical" foot that the original engineers/designers based the shoe on.
That said - generally, the flatter the foot, the more cardboard in the last. slip then combination, then board from high to flat arch.
The shape of the shoe should be straighter for someone with a flat foot and more curved for a higher arch (the footprint of the shoe). Most shoes are "semicurved", you will know a straight shoe when you see it.
The Big Four - I think that every shoe should have these four things no matter what type of foot you have: 1. concave heel cup 2. firm heel counter 3. flexible forefoot (allows the MTP joints to extend allowing for free supination due to the windlas effect) and 4. good shock absorption.
Other notes: New balance comes in widths, Asics tend to be wider, Nike and Reebok tend to be more narrow, Saucony and Ryka tend to have a greater ratio between the width of the forefoot and the width of the heel and so are more popular with women whose feet are more shaped like that.
Dress shoes that, in my experience have always met these criteria - Rockport, Born, and Clark. Merrils aren't around here much so I don't have enough info but I have heard great things about them.
I agree with both Jason and Mike that Runners World and Roadrunner sports have good information.
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Re: Athletic Shoes - October 11, 2005 5:19:00 PM
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I've been hooked on the minimalist shoe bandwagon and would generally suggest the Nike Free 5.0 or flats, although it takes some training to be able to wear them if you are used to other shoes. I also like the Nike Air Prestos and I have several pairs of Merrells I like. If you find they are too expensive go to Ross Dress for Less and you can often find them cheap.
Of course, a good running shoe store is the best place to go.
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Re: Athletic Shoes - October 11, 2005 7:39:00 PM
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I must be honest I have not read anyone's response, so sorry if repeated...here is some shoe pointers:
Look under sole in shoe, if last is stitched up middle then this is a shoe for supinators, if board is stitched on outter edge, this is for pronators. Look for midline from heel to toe under shoe, draw imaginary line, the more curved the more for supinator, the more straight, the more for poranator. good heal support: shouldn't be able to pinch fingers together near low part of heal, good for pronators. Should not be able to torsion shoe past 90 degrees for pronators. Tread/type of shoe only matters for aggressiveness of tread. X-trainers usually build up outside front lateral (bad for pronators). NB is now making a lot of supinator friendsly shoes, not sure why, nike is typically supinator friendly, reebok and adidas are hit or miss, avia/asic/brooks brothers are good pronator shoes usually.
most running magazines just copy what the brand rep tells them to for that shoe. With this knowledge you'll know what you are getting, and typically you pay for what you get. A really cheap shoe usually is a really cheap shoe, a really expensive shoe is usually just a fashion statement or paying for the newest model. go somewhere in the middle to upper 1/3. Good luck..
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Re: Athletic Shoes - October 12, 2005 5:34:00 PM
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I have probably put 200 (mostly) women in New Balance 608/609 shoes and resolve much of their foot maladies with that move. Here is a site:
http://www.aapsm.org/runshoe.html
which lists what they feel are good current shoes for certain situations.
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Re: Athletic Shoes - October 13, 2005 12:20:00 PM
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treybien
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JMA-
funny but the woman I am trying to find athletic shoes for wears her Merrell's all the time, even at the gym! Thanks for the list and tips.
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Re: Athletic Shoes - October 13, 2005 3:02:00 PM
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jma
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Is this person comfortable with the Merrell athletic shoes she is wearing now? If so, I'm curious to know if she is wearing any of the Merrell shoes that are MOCS as well. They have different styles for different uses. What one wears to work may not necessarily be the right one to work out in.
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Re: Athletic Shoes - October 17, 2005 12:26:00 PM
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treybien
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She is wearing a Merrell non-athletic shoe to work out in. She is doing some biking, eliptical, and just using them to walk around the gym because they are so comfortable for her.
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Re: Athletic Shoes - October 17, 2005 3:06:00 PM
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jma
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In that case, you can refer her to the merrell website at http://www.merrellboot.com
There, she can find some althletics shoes and find one that she can really work out in.
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