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Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - December 26, 2007 2:50:53 PM
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jlharris
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Sorry for the cross post, but unsure how many people look at the forums way down the list form "open forum" and "general chat"
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I'm assuming many of you are just like me and do not work in an academic setting, and therefore are very limited in your access to full text journal articles. There had been a discussion long ago about possibly pooling resources to purchase journal subscriptions and sharing articles as needed. That's tough to do over a forum.
My proposal is that we can make a central list of journals members have access to, so when one finds a good article they would like, but do not have full access to, that person could go to the list and contact the appropriate person.
Obviously this would be voluntary, but might be a good way to share resources to help stay on top of the newest evidence related to our practice.
What do you think? I'll start - Like most I have access to:
1. PT Journal
2. Journal of Orthopaedic and Sports Physical Therapy (JOSPT)
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - December 26, 2007 3:25:30 PM
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Jason,
This is something I have wanted to do with other therapists on this board. I have access to PT, JOSPT, but I am willing to subscribe to another journal (AJSM comes to mind among others) if we could get a core group of individuals willing to subscribe to different journals. Maybe someone could get Arch. Phys med and rehab, another individual gets another popular journal, etc. I am willing to pull the trigger whenever, but I think we need to get a core group dedicated to do this so we can be accountable to each other to "go through with it". What do you think?
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - December 27, 2007 3:11:14 PM
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jlharris
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I'm all for it. Hoping others will be too. Maybe once the holidays are over, we'll see more responses.
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 4, 2008 10:09:11 PM
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This was posted in the PT Bulletin, see below:
"New Legislation Provides Public With Online Access to NIH Funded Research
The public will have free online access to research funded by the National Institutes of Health (NIH), as required by a provision in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2007 (HR 2764) signed last week by President Bush. This is the first time the US government has mandated the adoption of an open access policy that would provide public access to research funded by a major agency.
The provision directs the NIH to change its existing Public Access Policy, implemented as a voluntary measure in 2005, so that participation is required for agency-funded investigators. Researchers now will be required to deposit electronic copies of their peer-reviewed manuscripts into the National Library of Medicine's online archive, PubMed Central. Full texts of the articles will be publicly available and searchable online in PubMed Central no later than 12 months after publication in a journal.
"Open access to articles that report research funded by government grants has been a hot issue for health care journals for several years," says PTJ's Editor in Chief Rebecca Craik, PT, PhD, FAPTA. "It makes sense that the people who ultimately fund this research -- the taxpayers -- should have open access to the findings. Many publishers and editors have been concerned, however, that mandated deposit of articles in PubMed Central would violate copyright rules or bypass the journal peer-review and editing process. The legislation passed last week applies to the peer-reviewed versions of accepted articles and appears to apply to the published versions of these articles. But the legislation doesn't provide many details, and the actual policy hasn't been written yet, so there are some unanswered questions."
In the January 2 Open Access Newsletter of the Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition (SPARC), Peter Suber calls the legislation a "hard-won victory" for researchers, open access advocates, and all people interested in "advancing medical knowledge." But he cautions about the unknowns. What happens if NIH policy conflicts with journals' established policies? Will NIH impose sanctions for noncompliance with the mandate? Will the mandate apply retroactively to previous NIH grants? Will it require open access to raw or refined data?
"PTJ will be watching the development of the NIH mandate closely," says Craik. "We'll also be looking at ways to help our NIH-funded authors meet their obligations under that mandate."
Now its just a matter of time and for the legislation to be made absolutely clear on the subject. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 5, 2008 1:37:17 PM
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Don't forget about APTA's new service (I forget what it is called) that gives access to articles. I have access to many full texted articles through pubmed and ovid. I also have access to interlibrary loan through my local PT school. I am an adjunct and if you take students on clinical they give you access to their online library.
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 5, 2008 1:57:22 PM
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I've always found OVID to be the most useful and wondered if the APTA has ever looked into subscribing to this service for members only. If universities are able to buy a subscription for students I would think that the APTA could do that also. I wouldn't mind paying a little extra in yearly dues to have that resource, and it would be probably be cheaper than subscribing to just one journal.
The journals I get are: PT journal, JOSPT, and JMMT. Later.
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 5, 2008 7:48:44 PM
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jma
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I agree. OVID should be included there as well.
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 6, 2008 10:03:07 AM
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So, you guys are advocating violating copyright laws?
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 6, 2008 11:26:52 AM
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Since what has been posted in the mandate does not give the specific details of how this would work, I'm not sure how this would not violate copyright laws. They mentioned this concern in the quoted post. Still much work to do on their part.
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 6, 2008 6:32:32 PM
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jlharris
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quote:
So, you guys are advocating violating copyright laws?
Yep, you got me. Moving to murder next.
Oh, you have a point? Figured sarcasm is all we need.
I'm not asking that anyone post articles for uncontrolled access. While I don't think this request falls under "Fair Use" I'm unsure of the ramifications of providing a specific article to a specific person that requests it. I know this occurs all the time in reality (journal clubs, discussions with colleagues, etc). However, this may be a moot point in such a large audience that this is being requested.
In the future, though, accusations without specific knowledge presented (in this case, source that shows that sharing an article that has been legally obtained with a specific colleague that asks for that specific article), is not helpful.
To save debate, though, I personally will likely forego working with persons here and continue to just contact an author directly and cross my fingers hoping they have the time and graciousness to fullfill my request.
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 6, 2008 7:02:01 PM
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Ah yes, the old "I'll take my football and go home" response
My question was direct and sincere, with no sarcasm.
Your original post expresses the desire to get people together to trade copyrighted material, in this case "articles". This was done with music (via Napster), and we all know what happened with that situation. Try posting your willingness to give people copies of the latest Pirates of the Caribbean movie, and see how quickly you get a phonecall from Disney attorneys.
We're supposed to be professional. There is no reason a PT cannot procure the article they desire in a civilized manner, either buy subscribing to the journal, purchasing from the publisher online, contacting the author for a copy, or becoming a field instructor for a PT program and getting official access
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 6, 2008 7:03:43 PM
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Hmmm...Anyone have an extensive knowledge of "fair use"? Here is the description from the US Copyright Office:
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§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use40 Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
emphasis added.
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 6, 2008 7:39:49 PM
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The 1998 American Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) was created in order to handle the "new" internet abilities, and the following was stipulated:
Sec. 1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems
(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that......
And, "nonprofit educatinal purposes" doesn't cover PT's too cheap to buy it or too lazy to obtain in a dignified manner
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 6, 2008 7:49:28 PM
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This was done with music (via Napster), and we all know what happened with that situation. Try posting your willingness to give people copies of the latest Pirates of the Caribbean movie, and see how quickly you get a phonecall from Disney attorneys.
Totally different situation. Again, I'm not advocating posting an article to be freely available to anyone one and everyone. I'm willing to admit that it still cannot be done, but your example does not apply to this situation.
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And, "nonprofit educatinal purposes" doesn't cover PT's too cheap to buy it or too lazy to obtain in a dignified manner
Sorry, just as you implication that I want to willingly engage in copyright infingement, this statement is again a personal attack on me and is a very poor argument (or, more, no argument) against why my proposal is infeasible. I know you have personal experience with what happens when others make false claims agianst you. I hope you could be a little more considerate.
I'm unsure of the DMCA's coverage of this. Do you have personal experience or knowledge with this? Or is your post, like mine regarding Fair Use, a personal conclusion?
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 6, 2008 8:05:29 PM
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I am not so sure my being mistaken for a kiddie pornographer with the same name is really the same thing as we are discussing here.
I will say I have fairly good personal experience, as I had to cover all this stuff legally when I did the website. I spent both time with attorneys well versed in copyright law, internet law, and did lots of reading of my own. That's why you'll see that I never posted any actual articles on my site, instead only reviews and critiques, which are permitted. The ones I did put up for download were already freely available on the internet without any loopholes to obtain.
Not talking about you Jason, but far too many PT's want something for nothing. They want leadership, but don't contribute to the APTA (whether that is money well spent is another issue we can discuss), don't take students, etc. I got so sick of the too-many-to-be-counted emails telling me my site should be "free" that I just started typing GO F-CK YERSELF in the reply email
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 6, 2008 9:24:23 PM
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Having accusations leveled against you that have a high probability of negatively affecting my reputation, credibility, and professionalism seems to be the same potential outcome you - very undeservedly - experienced. That is my point with you prior personal comments.
Off topic, but the company I work for does provide clinical instruction for both PT schools in the area. However, we have no "official" means to access their extensive literary subscription service. Also, I'm sorry to hear about the crap you get regarding your website. I did purchase a "subscription" to it for all the great content just a bit before you quit making updates. In the end, what I paid was well worth the short time of updates provided.
And there is my point. This whole thread was an attempt to close the cravas betwee practicing EBM and the Evidence to do it. There are easily, what, 5-6 journals directly related to and impacting our profession. At 3-6 hundred dollars a piece per year to access them makes it impossible to keep current but for only the wealthiest clinicians or companies. So, here I am trying to brain storm ideas to help allow us to use this extensive network to improve our knowledge.
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 6, 2008 10:45:25 PM
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Here are some options/ideas for those interested in this idea:
1. Still develop a group, each person committing to 2 journals, with no duplication. Each person then contacts the publisher for their respective journals, asking for permission to create this "journal club", and permission to copy and disseminate the material. One roadblock may be the fact that many of the journals note that the authors need contacted for reproduction
2. Become a field instructor for those schools that will provide online library services. Remember, one does not have to be stuck with just local schools. I have a position as far away as the Univeristy of Utah, because someone actually wanted to come to Pittsburgh (before they saw last nights game)
3. Take advantage of all the journals that are already free. For many of the journals, either older issues are free, or if you scrounge through their archives, you'll see one or two labeled "free" British Journal of Sports Medicine used to, and may still, allow free reading of material older than 1 year
4. Take advantage of journals who offer you a free copy as a preview. If you don't like, just unsubscribe.
5. Actually purchase some of the better journals that do not cost as much. The American Journal of Sports Medicine is a GOLDMINE, and is only $169.00/year. The British Journal of Sports Medicine is only $82 year. One month issue of one of these will give you far more information and education than some weekend course that cost $400
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RE: Access to Journal Articles - A Proposal - January 8, 2008 4:04:58 PM
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jlharris
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Duffy,
Excellent suggestions. The most difficult, yet would be the most adventageous, is your first suggestion. I already spend $100-200 a year personally on coned type services (evidence express from EIM, your website, etc), but will seriously consider consolidating that money and putting it into a subscription such as the AJSM.
BTW, have done the free preview thing. I get so much junk from the publishing company for other journals that it's really turned me off from trying it with other journals.
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